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	by analogy to Q56,88 "anarchist orientalism".		by analogy to Q56,88 "anarchist orientalism".

	{{li\|I=S1/A\|tradition=MX onto A\|Q=56,88\|Q2=5688\|h4 = anarchist orientalism }} / anarchist chauvinism (bigoted defense of ring of anarchists as First-World equivalent against actual Second World and Third World) / chauvinism to a socially-linked ring of anarchists treating them as True People while a large part of the Eastern Hemisphere is treated as inferior immoral people for not subscribing to anarchist models of reality such as the most obviously-identifiable transgression being the Dominating Limitation of Freedom, the actual physical division of a nationality into The People and The Oppressors being unacceptable unless the oppressors are Ideas, or defining society as not the sum of material objects but the sum of overlapping Lived Experiences -> the motif of anarchists constructing a particular circle of demographic groups of people who have proved that they obey anarchist history models and have gone through the process of [[User:RD/9k/Q36,67\|Resisting the Limitation of Justice and Dignity to become Truth]], and then treating whole countries outside that circle as False countries of False people. the word "orientalism" is not used for the exact meaning it had originally, and is used here in reference to the fact anarchists generally don't like China, North Korea, or Vietnam, and thus in a sense wish to divide the world around the border of a general category of "West" in an antagonistic way while picking on any country that notably violates criteria that define that category — the separation of a country population by class or Marxist expertise and the failure to define society as the sheer sum of individual Lived Experiences (an [[E:stationary combination of heterogeneous elements (meta-Marxism)\|anarchy]] of individual Lived Experiences) being one of them. the anarchist emphasis on defining movements as a permeation of ideas, disembodied memes basically, on "Communities" instead of revolutions or social transitions or movements at all, and on the true course of history as being a convergence of True people all come together in an ugly way to create this vague implication of True and False countable cultures where anarchist culture is superior as a countable culture, supposedly because it's more "moral" or such		{{li\|I=S1/A\|tradition=MX onto A\|Q=56,88\|Q2=5688\|h4 = anarchist orientalism }} / anarchist chauvinism (bigoted defense of ring of anarchists as First-World equivalent against actual Second World and Third World) / chauvinism to a socially-linked ring of anarchists treating them as True People while a large part of the Eastern Hemisphere is treated as inferior immoral people for not subscribing to anarchist models of reality such as the most obviously-identifiable transgression being the Dominating Limitation of Freedom, the actual physical division of a nationality into The People and The Oppressors being unacceptable unless the oppressors are Ideas, or defining society as not the sum of material objects but the sum of overlapping Lived Experiences / ([[User:RD/9k/Q56,88\|9k]]) -> the motif of anarchists constructing a particular circle of demographic groups of people who have proved that they obey anarchist history models and have gone through the process of [[User:RD/9k/Q36,67\|Resisting the Limitation of Justice and Dignity to become Truth]], and then treating whole countries outside that circle as False countries of False people. the word "orientalism" is not used for the exact meaning it had originally, and is used here in reference to the fact anarchists generally don't like China, North Korea, or Vietnam, and thus in a sense wish to divide the world around the border of a general category of "West" in an antagonistic way while picking on any country that notably violates criteria that define that category — the separation of a country population by class or Marxist expertise and the failure to define society as the sheer sum of individual Lived Experiences (an [[E:stationary combination of heterogeneous elements (meta-Marxism)\|anarchy]] of individual Lived Experiences) being one of them. the anarchist emphasis on defining movements as a permeation of ideas, disembodied memes basically, on "Communities" instead of revolutions or social transitions or movements at all, and on the true course of history as being a convergence of True people all come together in an ugly way to create this vague implication of True and False countable cultures where anarchist culture is superior as a countable culture, supposedly because it's more "moral" or such

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	</li></ol>-->		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV\|tradition=MX onto IV\|Q=46,88\|Q2=4688}}Trotskyist orientalism / Trotskyists treating the bloc of populations that they expect to join together and transition to Trotskyism as superior to Third World populations with an urgent need to defend themselves against First World capital and more worthy of protection from neocolonialism, scattering across the world, or starvation<br/>
			it is so baffling to me that this exists because, like, Trotskyism exists because Trotskyists are afraid of mainstream Marxist-Leninists doing this to them. so why do they turn around and do it to others??<br/>
			by analogy to Q56,88 "anarchist orientalism".

			{{li\|I=S1/A\|tradition=MX onto A\|Q=56,88\|Q2=5688\|h4 = anarchist orientalism }} / anarchist chauvinism (bigoted defense of ring of anarchists as First-World equivalent against actual Second World and Third World) / chauvinism to a socially-linked ring of anarchists treating them as True People while a large part of the Eastern Hemisphere is treated as inferior immoral people for not subscribing to anarchist models of reality such as the most obviously-identifiable transgression being the Dominating Limitation of Freedom, the actual physical division of a nationality into The People and The Oppressors being unacceptable unless the oppressors are Ideas, or defining society as not the sum of material objects but the sum of overlapping Lived Experiences -> the motif of anarchists constructing a particular circle of demographic groups of people who have proved that they obey anarchist history models and have gone through the process of [[User:RD/9k/Q36,67\|Resisting the Limitation of Justice and Dignity to become Truth]], and then treating whole countries outside that circle as False countries of False people. the word "orientalism" is not used for the exact meaning it had originally, and is used here in reference to the fact anarchists generally don't like China, North Korea, or Vietnam, and thus in a sense wish to divide the world around the border of a general category of "West" in an antagonistic way while picking on any country that notably violates criteria that define that category — the separation of a country population by class or Marxist expertise and the failure to define society as the sheer sum of individual Lived Experiences (an [[E:stationary combination of heterogeneous elements (meta-Marxism)\|anarchy]] of individual Lived Experiences) being one of them. the anarchist emphasis on defining movements as a permeation of ideas, disembodied memes basically, on "Communities" instead of revolutions or social transitions or movements at all, and on the true course of history as being a convergence of True people all come together in an ugly way to create this vague implication of True and False countable cultures where anarchist culture is superior as a countable culture, supposedly because it's more "moral" or such

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</li><li class="field_anarchy" data-tradition="A" data-qid="22,96" value="2296" data-dimension="S">True people versus False people -> I feel like anarchists are the ones who invented this idea — at least in its modern form? there are probably monarchist or Roman counterparts to it that are way worse — but it's also one of those concepts that you {{em|could}} turn around to attempt to explain [[E:mainstream Marxism-Leninism|Leninism]] to anarchists.<br/>
from an anarchist point of view, "True people" are individuals who resist oppression. from Lenin's point of view, "True people" are the ones that successfully work together to build a functioning country rather than defecting. that's also how it basically works from Deng's point of view. this is one of the only things solidly shared between Lenin and Deng Xiaoping, that their model of how a revolution or transition into a workers' state completes isn't solely based on dividing people into classes, and is also partly about [[User:RD/9k/Q33,17|loyalty]] and willingness to become the proletariat assuming that everyone getting converted to workers on state businesses is the particular transition that's happening at the moment.
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