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Reversedragon: assertion real place is fantastical

2026-03-12T04:36:59Z

assertion real place is fantastical

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S0/Fy\|Q=30,54\|Q2=3054\|h4 = assertion real thing is fictional }} / assertion that real thing appearing in fiction is instead fictional ~~/ England is made up ({{book\|Get Fuzzy}}) [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EskimosArentReal#folder2]~~		{{li\|start=y\|I=S0/Fy\|Q=30,54\|Q2=3054\|h4 = assertion real thing is fictional }} / assertion that real thing appearing in fiction is instead fictional

	{{li\|I=S0/PT\|Q=30,60\|Q2=3060\|h4 = assertion description of an identity is not real }} / assertion that traits fitting a real-world demographic identity are not real / identity erasure (fiction and media criticism)		{{li\|I=S0/PT\|Q=30,60\|Q2=3060\|h4 = assertion description of an identity is not real }} / assertion that traits fitting a real-world demographic identity are not real / identity erasure (fiction and media criticism)
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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S0/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4 = assertion real place is fantastical }} / assertion real place is fantasy worldbuilding / assertion real place is elaborate TV show script / England is made up ({{book\|Get Fuzzy}}) [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EskimosArentReal#folder2] [https://web.archive.org/web/20180328131931/http://www.gocomics.com/getfuzzy/2006/06/20 6-20] [https://web.archive.org/web/20180328131928/http://www.gocomics.com/getfuzzy/2006/06/21 21] [https://web.archive.org/web/20180328131925/http://www.gocomics.com/getfuzzy/2006/06/22 22] [https://web.archive.org/web/20180328131923/http://www.gocomics.com/getfuzzy/2006/06/23 23] [https://web.archive.org/web/20180328131920/http://www.gocomics.com/getfuzzy/2006/06/24 24] [https://getfuzzy.fandom.com/wiki/Ignorance,_Thy_Name_Is_Bucky] / Hawaii is real? ({{book\|Get Fuzzy}}) [https://web.archive.org/web/20180328134000/http://www.gocomics.com/getfuzzy/2005/05/14] [https://getfuzzy.fandom.com/wiki/The_Potpourrific_Great_Big_Grab_Bag_of_Get_Fuzzy] -> I don't think the claim the moon landing was a TV diorama is part of this motif even though it's conceptually similar. I think the real place has to be made up within the "writing" or "text" as opposed to the visuals or practical effects of the claimed fictional narrative

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Reversedragon: re-sort by kind of erasure

2026-03-11T21:56:22Z

re-sort by kind of erasure

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	== ~~Cases~~ ==		== Erasing ethnicities ==
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/~~Fy\|class=field_fantasy field_LGBT~~\|Q=30,61\|Q2=~~3061~~\|h4 = ~~what if~~ men ~~could date men??~~ }} / ~~what if~~ men ~~could be in relationships with men??~~ / ~~what if women could date women??~~ / ~~slash~~ (~~motif of homosexuality being a fictional construct~~) / ~~I know I wrote a gay fanfic~~, ~~but~~ there's no ~~way~~ I ~~could~~ be a ~~lesbian (generic)~~ -> the ~~fictional motif of insinuating~~ a ~~lack of understanding that homosexuality is real by claiming that it~~ is an ~~invented fictional concept~~.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/PT\|Q=30,63\|Q2=3063\|h4 = [[Ontology:MedicineCatsUnreal\|medicine cat? medicine men don't even exist]] }} / Warrior cats is so unbelievable, I mean, medicine men don't even exist -> the motif of somebody failing to even recognize that a fantasy book is based on an older form of society and proceeding to bash real-world people-groups for bad worldbuilding. it's like there are at least two levels of racism. one is where you know Native Americans exist and you don't like them, or you put "interesting" people-groups on some kind of pedestal like more than being people they resemble some kind of reality TV show that you can attach fake rules and interpretations to. one is where you don't even know they exist and act like they're totally made up. this distinction seems to exist for all demographic identities.

			{{li\|I=F2/Fy\|Q=30,66\|Q2=3066\|h4 = Race coding is culturally fabricated }} (furry fandom) / Furries don't have to think about race / Furries never have to think about race (furry-fans; furry fandom) / When you read furry media, or create it, there's no need to think about race -> I think this is really stupid precisely because, if we take kid-friendly shows for an example, {{book\|Kimba the White Lion}} can be a story [[E:white-bread fantasy\|all about an abstract civilization]] and then blatantly have blackface in the manga and one people group in Africa oppressing other people groups played as a joke. this proposition is using furry characters as an excuse to be "color-blind".

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			== Erasing gender ==
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	{{li\|I=S1/PT\|Q=30,64\|Q2=3064\|h4 = you think <cite>The Matrix</cite> is trans?? }} / <cite>The Matrix</cite> was wild! ...it's trans? / cis people relating to <cite>The Matrix</cite> but claiming it is not about transgender identity / cis people claiming <cite>The Matrix</cite> is about becoming a Tory but isn't about gender identity (red pill; redpilled) -> on one hand this is gross. on the other hand, viewed from a larger context it's just really, really weird. like, can somebody be [[E:anarchism\|charcoal]]-pilled, or [[E:Trotskyism\|orange]]-pilled? could you go around claiming <cite>The Matrix</cite> is about becoming a Trotskyist or an anarchist but isn't about being trans? Trotskyists totally feel like the way they see the world is the real model of the world, just like Tories do. do Tories even think about that.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/PT\|Q=30,64\|Q2=3064\|h4 = you think <cite>The Matrix</cite> is trans?? }} / <cite>The Matrix</cite> was wild! ...it's trans? / cis people relating to <cite>The Matrix</cite> but claiming it is not about transgender identity / cis people claiming <cite>The Matrix</cite> is about becoming a Tory but isn't about gender identity (red pill; redpilled) -> on one hand this is gross. on the other hand, viewed from a larger context it's just really, really weird. like, can somebody be [[E:anarchism\|charcoal]]-pilled, or [[E:Trotskyism\|orange]]-pilled? could you go around claiming <cite>The Matrix</cite> is about becoming a Trotskyist or an anarchist but isn't about being trans? Trotskyists totally feel like the way they see the world is the real model of the world, just like Tories do. do Tories even think about that.

	{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=30,62\|Q2=3062\|h4 = Spongebob is sexless }} / Spongebob is asexual (ecology definition, not queer theory definition) / I don't know, that's just Kirby -> there is a very complicated distinction between the way people talk about gender when they have no idea what it is at all, and how they talk about it when they actually know what a transgender person is instead of not knowing. saying that Kirby is "sex unknown" or "gender unknown" is more likely to mean "I genuinely haven't thought about it, I don't know anything on the subject and I don't know where to start" than "I think Kirby could actually be neither male nor female". "neither male nor female" is a really hard concept for normal people to understand if they've never heard of it before. it's easy to create a fictional trope accidentally just by combining concepts but that doesn't equate to an understanding that such a thing is real. (just look at the difference between A/B/O and understanding what transgender people are, and you'll understand it almost exactly.) likewise, people can come to understand that animals in nature can have unusual sex configurations, having both gametes or reproducing asexually, but they tend to be bad at internalizing what that means, and to remain at a totally baseline lack of understanding of what gender is.		{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=30,62\|Q2=3062\|h4 = Spongebob is sexless }} / Spongebob is asexual (ecology definition, not queer theory definition) / I don't know, that's just Kirby -> there is a very complicated distinction between the way people talk about gender when they have no idea what it is at all, and how they talk about it when they actually know what a transgender person is instead of not knowing. saying that Kirby is "sex unknown" or "gender unknown" is more likely to mean "I genuinely haven't thought about it, I don't know anything on the subject and I don't know where to start" than "I think Kirby could actually be neither male nor female". "neither male nor female" is a really hard concept for normal people to understand if they've never heard of it before. it's easy to create a fictional trope accidentally just by combining concepts but that doesn't equate to an understanding that such a thing is real. (just look at the difference between A/B/O and understanding what transgender people are, and you'll understand it almost exactly.) likewise, people can come to understand that animals in nature can have unusual sex configurations, having both gametes or reproducing asexually, but they tend to be bad at internalizing what that means, and to remain at a totally baseline lack of understanding of what gender is.
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	{{li\|I=F2/Fy\|class=field_horror\|Q=30,88\|Q2=3088\|h4 = [[Ontology:Q3088\|greeting nonbinary Representation with misgendering]] }} / misgendering Frisk (Undertale) / misgendering Kris (Deltarune) -> I swear this one is in every other YouTube comments section. I think that really says something about how effective Media Representation actually is or isn't~~. Kris + signifier mad libs = this~~.		{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|class=field_horror\|Q=30,88\|Q2=3088\|h4 = [[Ontology:Q3088\|greeting nonbinary Representation with misgendering]] }} / misgendering Frisk (Undertale) / misgendering Kris (Deltarune) -> I swear this one is in every other YouTube comments section. I think that really says something about how effective Media Representation actually is or isn't.

	{{li~~\|I=S1/PT\|Q=30,63\|Q2=3063\|h4 = [[Ontology:MedicineCatsUnreal\|medicine cat? medicine men don't even exist]] }}~~ / ~~Warrior cats is so unbelievable, I mean, medicine men don't even exist -~~> the motif of somebody failing to even recognize that a fantasy book is based on an older form of society and proceeding to bash real-world people-groups for bad worldbuilding. it's like there are at least two levels of racism. one is where you know Native Americans exist and you don't like them, or you put "interesting" people-groups on some kind of pedestal like more than being people they resemble some kind of reality TV show that you can attach fake rules and interpretations to. one is where you don't even know they exist and act like they're totally made up. this distinction seems to exist for all demographic identities.		</li></ol>

	{{li\|I=F2/ES\|Q=30,56\|Q2=~~3056~~\|h4 = ~~Real life doesn't contain battles~~ }} / (~~[[User:RD~~/~~9k/Q30~~,~~56\|9k]]~~)		== Erasing sexual orientation ==
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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy\|class=field_fantasy field_LGBT\|Q=30,61\|Q2=3061\|h4 = what if men could date men?? }} / what if men could be in relationships with men?? / what if women could date women?? / slash (motif of homosexuality being a fictional construct) / I know I wrote a gay fanfic, but there's no way I could be a lesbian (generic) -> the fictional motif of insinuating a lack of understanding that homosexuality is real by claiming that it is an invented fictional concept.

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	== ~~Edge cases~~ ==		== Erasing the concept of history ==
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=F2/Fy\|Q=30,66\|Q2=~~3066~~\|h4 = ~~Race coding is culturally fabricated~~ }} ~~(furry fandom)~~ / ~~Furries don't have to think about race / Furries never have to think about race~~ (furry-fans; furry fandom) / When you read furry media, or create it, there's no need to think about race -> I think this is really stupid precisely because, if we take kid-friendly shows for an example, {{book\|Kimba}} can be a story [[E:~~white-bread fantasy~~\|~~all about an abstract civilization~~]] and then blatantly have blackface in the manga and one people group in Africa oppressing other people groups played as a joke. this proposition is using furry characters as an excuse to be "color-blind".		{{li\|start=y\|I=F2/ES\|Q=30,56\|Q2=3056\|h4 = Real life doesn't contain battles }} / ([[User:RD/9k/Q30,56\|9k]])

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Reversedragon: Reversedragon moved page User:RD/9k/Q3054 to User:RD/9k/Q30,54: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

2026-03-11T21:44:40Z

Reversedragon moved page User:RD/9k/Q3054 to User:RD/9k/Q30,54: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

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Reversedragon: Only sexless aliens are non-binary / greeting nonbinary Representation with misgendering

2026-03-11T21:44:25Z

Only sexless aliens are non-binary / greeting nonbinary Representation with misgendering

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	{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=30,62\|Q2=3062\|h4 = Spongebob is sexless }} / Spongebob is asexual (ecology definition, not queer theory definition) / I don't know, that's just Kirby -> there is a very complicated distinction between the way people talk about gender when they have no idea what it is at all, and how they talk about it when they actually know what a transgender person is instead of not knowing. saying that Kirby is "sex unknown" or "gender unknown" is more likely to mean "I genuinely haven't thought about it, I don't know anything on the subject and I don't know where to start" than "I think Kirby could actually be neither male nor female". "neither male nor female" is a really hard concept for normal people to understand if they've never heard of it before. it's easy to create a fictional trope accidentally just by combining concepts but that doesn't equate to an understanding that such a thing is real. (just look at the difference between A/B/O and understanding what transgender people are, and you'll understand it almost exactly.) likewise, people can come to understand that animals in nature can have unusual sex configurations, having both gametes or reproducing asexually, but they tend to be bad at internalizing what that means, and to remain at a totally baseline lack of understanding of what gender is.		{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=30,62\|Q2=3062\|h4 = Spongebob is sexless }} / Spongebob is asexual (ecology definition, not queer theory definition) / I don't know, that's just Kirby -> there is a very complicated distinction between the way people talk about gender when they have no idea what it is at all, and how they talk about it when they actually know what a transgender person is instead of not knowing. saying that Kirby is "sex unknown" or "gender unknown" is more likely to mean "I genuinely haven't thought about it, I don't know anything on the subject and I don't know where to start" than "I think Kirby could actually be neither male nor female". "neither male nor female" is a really hard concept for normal people to understand if they've never heard of it before. it's easy to create a fictional trope accidentally just by combining concepts but that doesn't equate to an understanding that such a thing is real. (just look at the difference between A/B/O and understanding what transgender people are, and you'll understand it almost exactly.) likewise, people can come to understand that animals in nature can have unusual sex configurations, having both gametes or reproducing asexually, but they tend to be bad at internalizing what that means, and to remain at a totally baseline lack of understanding of what gender is.

			{{li\|I=S2/Fy\|Q=30,65\|Q2=3065\|h4 = Only sexless aliens are non-binary }} (sexless monsters; hermaphroditic monsters; hermaphroditic aliens; fantasy, science fiction)

			{{li\|I=F2/Fy\|class=field_horror\|Q=30,88\|Q2=3088\|h4 = [[Ontology:Q3088\|greeting nonbinary Representation with misgendering]] }} / misgendering Frisk (Undertale) / misgendering Kris (Deltarune) -> I swear this one is in every other YouTube comments section. I think that really says something about how effective Media Representation actually is or isn't. Kris + signifier mad libs = this.

	{{li\|I=S1/PT\|Q=30,63\|Q2=3063\|h4 = [[Ontology:MedicineCatsUnreal\|medicine cat? medicine men don't even exist]] }} / Warrior cats is so unbelievable, I mean, medicine men don't even exist -> the motif of somebody failing to even recognize that a fantasy book is based on an older form of society and proceeding to bash real-world people-groups for bad worldbuilding. it's like there are at least two levels of racism. one is where you know Native Americans exist and you don't like them, or you put "interesting" people-groups on some kind of pedestal like more than being people they resemble some kind of reality TV show that you can attach fake rules and interpretations to. one is where you don't even know they exist and act like they're totally made up. this distinction seems to exist for all demographic identities.		{{li\|I=S1/PT\|Q=30,63\|Q2=3063\|h4 = [[Ontology:MedicineCatsUnreal\|medicine cat? medicine men don't even exist]] }} / Warrior cats is so unbelievable, I mean, medicine men don't even exist -> the motif of somebody failing to even recognize that a fantasy book is based on an older form of society and proceeding to bash real-world people-groups for bad worldbuilding. it's like there are at least two levels of racism. one is where you know Native Americans exist and you don't like them, or you put "interesting" people-groups on some kind of pedestal like more than being people they resemble some kind of reality TV show that you can attach fake rules and interpretations to. one is where you don't even know they exist and act like they're totally made up. this distinction seems to exist for all demographic identities.
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	{{li\|I=F2/Fy\|Q=30,66\|Q2=3066\|h4 = Race coding is culturally fabricated }} (furry fandom) / Furries don't have to think about race / Furries never have to think about race (furry-fans; furry fandom) / When you read furry media, or create it, there's no need to think about race -> I think this is really stupid precisely because, if we take kid-friendly shows for an example, {{book\|Kimba}} can be a story [[E:white-bread fantasy\|all about an abstract civilization]] and then blatantly have blackface in the manga and one people group in Africa oppressing other people groups played as a joke. this proposition is using furry characters as an excuse to be "color-blind"~~.<br />~~		{{li\|start=y\|I=F2/Fy\|Q=30,66\|Q2=3066\|h4 = Race coding is culturally fabricated }} (furry fandom) / Furries don't have to think about race / Furries never have to think about race (furry-fans; furry fandom) / When you read furry media, or create it, there's no need to think about race -> I think this is really stupid precisely because, if we take kid-friendly shows for an example, {{book\|Kimba}} can be a story [[E:white-bread fantasy\|all about an abstract civilization]] and then blatantly have blackface in the manga and one people group in Africa oppressing other people groups played as a joke. this proposition is using furry characters as an excuse to be "color-blind".
	~~white-bread fantasy + furry fandom = this~~.

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	* Fy / fantasy genre		* Fy / fantasy genre
	* Fy / fan fiction tropes		* Fy / fan fiction tropes
			* (D)Fy / fandom controversies
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			* ES / anticommunism
			* PT / The Manosphere
	* PT / microaggressions		* PT / microaggressions
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Reversedragon: Get Fuzzy / synonyms / change some swatches to brown

2026-03-11T21:31:17Z

Get Fuzzy / synonyms / change some swatches to brown

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S0/Fy\|Q=30,54\|Q2=3054}}assertion real thing is fictional / assertion that real thing appearing in fiction is instead fictional		{{li\|start=y\|I=S0/Fy\|Q=30,54\|Q2=3054\|h4 = assertion real thing is fictional }} / assertion that real thing appearing in fiction is instead fictional / England is made up ({{book\|Get Fuzzy}}) [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EskimosArentReal#folder2]

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_nations" value~~="3060~~" data-dimension~~=~~"S0">~~assertion description of an identity is not real / assertion that traits fitting a real-world demographic identity are not real		{{li\|I=S0/PT\|Q=30,60\|Q2=3060\|h4 = assertion description of an identity is not real }} / assertion that traits fitting a real-world demographic identity are not real / identity erasure (fiction and media criticism)

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	== Cases ==		== Cases ==

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	</~~li><li~~ class="field_fantasy field_LGBT~~" value~~="3061~~" data-dimension~~=~~"S">~~what if men could date men?? / what if men could be in relationships with men?? / slash (motif of homosexuality being a fictional construct) / I know I wrote a gay fanfic, but there's no way I could be a lesbian (generic) -> the fictional motif of insinuating a lack of understanding that homosexuality is real by claiming that it is an invented fictional concept.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy\|class=field_fantasy field_LGBT\|Q=30,61\|Q2=3061\|h4 = what if men could date men?? }} / what if men could be in relationships with men?? / what if women could date women?? / slash (motif of homosexuality being a fictional construct) / I know I wrote a gay fanfic, but there's no way I could be a lesbian (generic) -> the fictional motif of insinuating a lack of understanding that homosexuality is real by claiming that it is an invented fictional concept.

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_fantasy" value~~=~~"3062" data-dimension~~=~~"S"~~>~~Spongebob~~ is ~~sexless~~ / ~~Spongebob is asexual (ecology definition, not queer theory definition)~~ / ~~I don't know, that~~'s ~~just Kirby -~~> ~~there~~ is ~~a very complicated distinction between the way~~ people ~~talk about gender when they have no idea what it~~ is ~~at all, and how they talk~~ about ~~it when they actually know what~~ a ~~transgender person is instead of not knowing. saying that Kirby is "sex unknown" or "gender unknown" is more likely to mean "I genuinely haven~~'t ~~thought~~ about ~~it, I don't know anything~~ on the ~~subject and I don't know where to start" than "I think Kirby could actually be neither male nor female". "neither male nor female" is~~ a ~~really hard concept for normal people to understand if they've never heard of it before.~~ it's ~~easy to create~~ a ~~fictional trope accidentally just by combining concepts~~ but ~~that doesn~~'t ~~equate to an understanding that such a thing~~ is real~~. (just look at~~ the ~~difference between A/B/O and understanding what transgender people are~~, ~~and you'll understand it almost exactly~~.~~) likewise, people can come to understand~~ that animals in nature can have unusual sex configurations, having both gametes or reproducing asexually, but they tend to be bad at internalizing what that means, and to remain at a totally baseline lack of understanding of what gender is.		{{li\|I=S1/PT\|Q=30,64\|Q2=3064\|h4 = you think <cite>The Matrix</cite> is trans?? }} / <cite>The Matrix</cite> was wild! ...it's trans? / cis people relating to <cite>The Matrix</cite> but claiming it is not about transgender identity / cis people claiming <cite>The Matrix</cite> is about becoming a Tory but isn't about gender identity (red pill; redpilled) -> on one hand this is gross. on the other hand, viewed from a larger context it's just really, really weird. like, can somebody be [[E:anarchism\|charcoal]]-pilled, or [[E:Trotskyism\|orange]]-pilled? could you go around claiming <cite>The Matrix</cite> is about becoming a Trotskyist or an anarchist but isn't about being trans? Trotskyists totally feel like the way they see the world is the real model of the world, just like Tories do. do Tories even think about that.

	</li~~><li class~~=~~"field_fantasy" value~~=~~"3063" data-dimension~~=~~"S">[[Ontology:MedicineCatsUnreal~~\|~~medicine cat? medicine men don't even exist]]~~ / ~~Warrior cats~~ is ~~so unbelievable~~, I ~~mean, medicine men~~ don't ~~even exist~~ -> the ~~motif~~ of ~~somebody failing to even recognize~~ that ~~a fantasy book~~ is ~~based on an older form of society and proceeding~~ to ~~bash real-world people-groups for bad worldbuilding.~~ it'~~s like there are at least two levels of racism. one is where you~~ know ~~Native Americans exist~~ and ~~you~~ don't ~~like them, or you put~~ "~~interesting~~" people~~-groups on some kind of pedestal like more than being people~~ they ~~resemble some kind~~ of ~~reality TV show~~ that ~~you can attach fake rules and interpretations~~ to. ~~one is where~~ you ~~don~~'~~t even know~~ they ~~exist~~ and ~~act like they're~~ totally ~~made up. this distinction seems to exist for all demographic identities~~.		{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=30,62\|Q2=3062\|h4 = Spongebob is sexless }} / Spongebob is asexual (ecology definition, not queer theory definition) / I don't know, that's just Kirby -> there is a very complicated distinction between the way people talk about gender when they have no idea what it is at all, and how they talk about it when they actually know what a transgender person is instead of not knowing. saying that Kirby is "sex unknown" or "gender unknown" is more likely to mean "I genuinely haven't thought about it, I don't know anything on the subject and I don't know where to start" than "I think Kirby could actually be neither male nor female". "neither male nor female" is a really hard concept for normal people to understand if they've never heard of it before. it's easy to create a fictional trope accidentally just by combining concepts but that doesn't equate to an understanding that such a thing is real. (just look at the difference between A/B/O and understanding what transgender people are, and you'll understand it almost exactly.) likewise, people can come to understand that animals in nature can have unusual sex configurations, having both gametes or reproducing asexually, but they tend to be bad at internalizing what that means, and to remain at a totally baseline lack of understanding of what gender is.

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_nations" value~~=~~"3064" data-dimension~~=~~"S">you think <cite>The Matrix</cite> is trans~~?~~? / <cite>The Matrix</cite> was wild! ...it~~'~~s trans? / cis people relating to <cite>The Matrix<~~/~~cite> but claiming it~~ is ~~not about transgender identity / cis people claiming <cite>The Matrix</cite> is about becoming a Tory but isn~~'t ~~about gender identity (red pill; redpilled)~~ -> on ~~one hand this is gross~~. ~~on the other hand, viewed from a larger context~~ it's ~~just really, really weird~~. like~~, can somebody be [[E:anarchism\|charcoal]]-pilled~~, or ~~[[E:Trotskyism\|orange]]~~-~~pilled? could~~ you ~~go around claiming <cite>The Matrix</cite>~~ is ~~about becoming a Trotskyist or an anarchist but isn~~'t ~~about being trans? Trotskyists totally feel~~ like ~~the way~~ they ~~see the world is the real model of the world, just like Tories do~~. ~~do Tories even think about that~~.		{{li\|I=S1/PT\|Q=30,63\|Q2=3063\|h4 = [[Ontology:MedicineCatsUnreal\|medicine cat? medicine men don't even exist]] }} / Warrior cats is so unbelievable, I mean, medicine men don't even exist -> the motif of somebody failing to even recognize that a fantasy book is based on an older form of society and proceeding to bash real-world people-groups for bad worldbuilding. it's like there are at least two levels of racism. one is where you know Native Americans exist and you don't like them, or you put "interesting" people-groups on some kind of pedestal like more than being people they resemble some kind of reality TV show that you can attach fake rules and interpretations to. one is where you don't even know they exist and act like they're totally made up. this distinction seems to exist for all demographic identities.

	{{li\|I=F2/ES\|Q=30,56\|Q2=3056}}Real life doesn't contain battles / ([[User:RD/9k/Q30,56\|9k]])		{{li\|I=F2/ES\|Q=30,56\|Q2=3056\|h4 = Real life doesn't contain battles }} / ([[User:RD/9k/Q30,56\|9k]])

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			== Edge cases ==
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			{{li\|I=F2/Fy\|Q=30,66\|Q2=3066\|h4 = Race coding is culturally fabricated }} (furry fandom) / Furries don't have to think about race / Furries never have to think about race (furry-fans; furry fandom) / When you read furry media, or create it, there's no need to think about race -> I think this is really stupid precisely because, if we take kid-friendly shows for an example, {{book\|Kimba}} can be a story [[E:white-bread fantasy\|all about an abstract civilization]] and then blatantly have blackface in the manga and one people group in Africa oppressing other people groups played as a joke. this proposition is using furry characters as an excuse to be "color-blind".<br />
			white-bread fantasy + furry fandom = this.

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== Main entry ==
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{{li|start=y|I=S0/Fy|Q=30,54|Q2=3054}}assertion real thing is fictional / assertion that real thing appearing in fiction is instead fictional

</li><li class="field_nations" value="3060" data-dimension="S0">assertion description of an identity is not real / assertion that traits fitting a real-world demographic identity are not real

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== Cases ==

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</li><li class="field_fantasy field_LGBT" value="3061" data-dimension="S">what if men could date men?? / what if men could be in relationships with men?? / slash (motif of homosexuality being a fictional construct) / I know I wrote a gay fanfic, but there's no way I could be a lesbian (generic) -> the fictional motif of insinuating a lack of understanding that homosexuality is real by claiming that it is an invented fictional concept.

</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="3062" data-dimension="S">Spongebob is sexless / Spongebob is asexual (ecology definition, not queer theory definition) / I don't know, that's just Kirby -> there is a very complicated distinction between the way people talk about gender when they have no idea what it is at all, and how they talk about it when they actually know what a transgender person is instead of not knowing. saying that Kirby is "sex unknown" or "gender unknown" is more likely to mean "I genuinely haven't thought about it, I don't know anything on the subject and I don't know where to start" than "I think Kirby could actually be neither male nor female". "neither male nor female" is a really hard concept for normal people to understand if they've never heard of it before. it's easy to create a fictional trope accidentally just by combining concepts but that doesn't equate to an understanding that such a thing is real. (just look at the difference between A/B/O and understanding what transgender people are, and you'll understand it almost exactly.) likewise, people can come to understand that animals in nature can have unusual sex configurations, having both gametes or reproducing asexually, but they tend to be bad at internalizing what that means, and to remain at a totally baseline lack of understanding of what gender is.

</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="3063" data-dimension="S">[[Ontology:MedicineCatsUnreal|medicine cat? medicine men don't even exist]] / Warrior cats is so unbelievable, I mean, medicine men don't even exist -> the motif of somebody failing to even recognize that a fantasy book is based on an older form of society and proceeding to bash real-world people-groups for bad worldbuilding. it's like there are at least two levels of racism. one is where you know Native Americans exist and you don't like them, or you put "interesting" people-groups on some kind of pedestal like more than being people they resemble some kind of reality TV show that you can attach fake rules and interpretations to. one is where you don't even know they exist and act like they're totally made up. this distinction seems to exist for all demographic identities.

</li><li class="field_nations" value="3064" data-dimension="S">you think <cite>The Matrix</cite> is trans?? / <cite>The Matrix</cite> was wild! ...it's trans? / cis people relating to <cite>The Matrix</cite> but claiming it is not about transgender identity / cis people claiming <cite>The Matrix</cite> is about becoming a Tory but isn't about gender identity (red pill; redpilled) -> on one hand this is gross. on the other hand, viewed from a larger context it's just really, really weird. like, can somebody be [[E:anarchism|charcoal]]-pilled, or [[E:Trotskyism|orange]]-pilled? could you go around claiming <cite>The Matrix</cite> is about becoming a Trotskyist or an anarchist but isn't about being trans? Trotskyists totally feel like the way they see the world is the real model of the world, just like Tories do. do Tories even think about that.

{{li|I=F2/ES|Q=30,56|Q2=3056}}Real life doesn't contain battles / ([[User:RD/9k/Q30,56|9k]])

</li></ol>

== Related ==
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== Ideologies ==

* Fy / fiction
* Fy / fantasy genre


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