User:RD/9k/Q34,12 - Revision history

Reversedragon: connections

2026-03-04T10:03:07Z

connections

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	</li><li class="field_anarchy" data-qid="34,12" value="3412" data-dimension="S">Bookchinism / Communalism (anarchism) -> an anarchism based on creating tiny Liberal-republicanisms inside parts of cities. it has the advantage of at least talking about something tangible and being logical. but it does seem to assume a lot of things that don't really make sense.		</li><li class="field_anarchy" data-qid="34,12" value="3412" data-dimension="S">Bookchinism / Communalism (anarchism) -> an anarchism based on creating tiny Liberal-republicanisms inside parts of cities. it has the advantage of at least talking about something tangible and being logical. but it does seem to assume a lot of things that don't really make sense.

	</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-qid="34,12" value="3412" data-dimension="S">Bookchinism -> due to some new findings of a scheme proposed by a right-Liberal that sounds almost exactly like Bookchinism only with no risk of disturbing Liberal-republicanism whatsoever, I'm now feeling like it might be blue. that doesn't mean Bookchinism can't theoretically take place in a world without a U.S. federal government, but it does mean that if it did it would be an Existentialism rather than a charcoal anarchism. or to put it a little crudely, a petty-bourgeois philosophy that is shameless except for promising you it's made of Community and blue Communitarian chunks rather than the big bad Jeff Bezos blue chunks.		</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-qid="34,12" value="3412" data-dimension="S">Bookchinism / civilism (right-Liberal scheme to change country on national scale by treating cities like their policies are as important as national ones and transferring them from city to city) -> due to some new findings of a scheme proposed by a right-Liberal that sounds almost exactly like Bookchinism only with no risk of disturbing Liberal-republicanism whatsoever, I'm now feeling like it might be blue. that doesn't mean Bookchinism can't theoretically take place in a world without a U.S. federal government, but it does mean that if it did it would be an [[:Category:Existentialist-Structuralist tradition\|Existentialism]] rather than a charcoal anarchism. or to put it a little crudely, a petty-bourgeois philosophy that is shameless except for promising you it's made of Community and blue Communitarian chunks rather than the big bad Jeff Bezos blue chunks.

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	{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=MX onto A, IV onto A\|Q=618}}Bookchinism suffers from the problem that capitalists from multiple cities can team up at the state level to prevent anything passing in individual cities; each city that wants to try anything has to be prepared to act at state legislatures, and overcome state-level attempts from other parties at the same pro- city policies bill [https://www.socialistalternative.org/2025/07/16/behind-enemy-lines-lessons-for-elected-socialists/] -> ...		{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=MX onto A, IV onto A\|Q=618}}Bookchinism suffers from the problem that capitalists from multiple cities can team up at the state level to prevent anything passing in individual cities; each city that wants to try anything has to be prepared to act at state legislatures, and overcome state-level attempts from other parties at the same pro- city policies bill [https://www.socialistalternative.org/2025/07/16/behind-enemy-lines-lessons-for-elected-socialists/] -> ...

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2026-03-04T09:58:29Z

Reversedragon moved page User:RD/9k/Q3412 to User:RD/9k/Q34,12: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

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Reversedragon: Socialist Alternative and state-level challenge

2026-03-04T09:57:16Z

Socialist Alternative and state-level challenge

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	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Corporations have been presenting policies and agendas designed or defended by entire compartmentalized teams of people and that's bad, because policies that make it up to the United States Congress are supposed to be tested per town [https://williamferreira.substack.com/p/modular-revolution-and-civilism] / civilism proposition (Ferreira & Losurdo) -> this person has no understanding whatsover of how countries materially work. even if this was feasible it would be a bad idea because it's assuming all cities and towns are physically the same, but on a basic level they aren't going to be physically the same or have the same policies. to even remotely get policies synchronized across a country you pretty much need oddly shaped formations like corporations that extend specifically across states into similar areas of each state and go advocate for all the similar big cities or all the mountain areas or all the patches where Black people or Latinos live, because none of that is consistent across multiple towns in a state.<br/>		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Corporations have been presenting policies and agendas designed or defended by entire compartmentalized teams of people and that's bad, because policies that make it up to the United States Congress are supposed to be tested per town [https://williamferreira.substack.com/p/modular-revolution-and-civilism] / civilism proposition (Ferreira & Losurdo) -> this person has no understanding whatsover of how countries materially work. even if this was feasible it would be a bad idea because it's assuming all cities and towns are physically the same, but on a basic level they aren't going to be physically the same or have the same policies. to even remotely get policies synchronized across a country you pretty much need oddly shaped formations like corporations that extend specifically across states into similar areas of each state and go advocate for all the similar big cities or all the mountain areas or all the patches where Black people or Latinos live, because none of that is consistent across multiple towns in a state.<br/>
	this is weirdly similar to Trotskyist errors of thinking government ministries are bad because they're bigger than towns and yet I swear Trotskyists are smarter than this because they're at least smart enough to understand that areas of similar people (workers) can span across European countries and something that jumps intuitive geographic boundaries is necessary		this is weirdly similar to Trotskyist errors of thinking government ministries are bad because they're bigger than towns and yet I swear Trotskyists are smarter than this because they're at least smart enough to understand that areas of similar people (workers) can span across European countries and something that jumps intuitive geographic boundaries is necessary

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			== (meta-)Marxist appraisals ==

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			{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=MX onto A, IV onto A\|Q=618}}Bookchinism suffers from the problem that capitalists from multiple cities can team up at the state level to prevent anything passing in individual cities; each city that wants to try anything has to be prepared to act at state legislatures, and overcome state-level attempts from other parties at the same pro- city policies bill [https://www.socialistalternative.org/2025/07/16/behind-enemy-lines-lessons-for-elected-socialists/] -> ...

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Reversedragon: delete civilism book because it wasn't the same thing

2026-03-04T09:54:42Z

delete civilism book because it wasn't the same thing

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	{{li~~\|start=y~~\|I=Z1/ES\|Q=618}}~~Civilism: The Next Step In Political Evolution~~ (~~Michael Shanahan 2017~~) [https://~~isbnsearch~~.~~org~~/~~isbn~~/~~9781544267531~~]		{{li\|I=S1/LR\|Q=618}}civilism (William Ferreira) [https://williamferreira.substack.com/p/modular-revolution-and-civilism]

	{{li\|I=S1/LR\|dimension=F2\|Q=618}}U.S. founders didn't abandon experiment / "What did these early Americans do when they encountered failure? They didn't abandon the experiment" [https://williamferreira.substack.com/p/modular-revolution-and-civilism] -> I love how in zero irony people will say this and then when you try to tell them about Marxists trying to fix Communism they will totally fail to grasp the irony and say "communism doesn't work,,,". imagine me reading both of those quoted blue sentences in a funny PTA-meeting voice because I just can't read this with a straight face		{{li\|I=S1/LR\|dimension=F2\|Q=618}}U.S. founders didn't abandon experiment / "What did these early Americans do when they encountered failure? They didn't abandon the experiment" [https://williamferreira.substack.com/p/modular-revolution-and-civilism] -> I love how in zero irony people will say this and then when you try to tell them about Marxists trying to fix Communism they will totally fail to grasp the irony and say "communism doesn't work,,,". imagine me reading both of those quoted blue sentences in a funny PTA-meeting voice because I just can't read this with a straight face

Reversedragon: blue swatch / civilism

2026-03-04T09:52:59Z

blue swatch / civilism

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	</li><li class="field_anarchy" data-qid="34,12" value="3412" data-dimension="S">Bookchinism / Communalism (anarchism) -> an anarchism based on creating tiny Liberal-republicanisms inside parts of cities. it has the advantage of at least talking about something tangible and being logical. but it does seem to assume a lot of things that don't really make sense.		</li><li class="field_anarchy" data-qid="34,12" value="3412" data-dimension="S">Bookchinism / Communalism (anarchism) -> an anarchism based on creating tiny Liberal-republicanisms inside parts of cities. it has the advantage of at least talking about something tangible and being logical. but it does seem to assume a lot of things that don't really make sense.

			</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-qid="34,12" value="3412" data-dimension="S">Bookchinism -> due to some new findings of a scheme proposed by a right-Liberal that sounds almost exactly like Bookchinism only with no risk of disturbing Liberal-republicanism whatsoever, I'm now feeling like it might be blue. that doesn't mean Bookchinism can't theoretically take place in a world without a U.S. federal government, but it does mean that if it did it would be an Existentialism rather than a charcoal anarchism. or to put it a little crudely, a petty-bourgeois philosophy that is shameless except for promising you it's made of Community and blue Communitarian chunks rather than the big bad Jeff Bezos blue chunks.

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	== ~~Motifs or claims~~ ==		== Civilism (Bookchinism inside Liberal-republicanism) ==

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			{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/ES\|Q=618}}Civilism: The Next Step In Political Evolution (Michael Shanahan 2017) [https://isbnsearch.org/isbn/9781544267531]

			{{li\|I=S1/LR\|dimension=F2\|Q=618}}U.S. founders didn't abandon experiment / "What did these early Americans do when they encountered failure? They didn't abandon the experiment" [https://williamferreira.substack.com/p/modular-revolution-and-civilism] -> I love how in zero irony people will say this and then when you try to tell them about Marxists trying to fix Communism they will totally fail to grasp the irony and say "communism doesn't work,,,". imagine me reading both of those quoted blue sentences in a funny PTA-meeting voice because I just can't read this with a straight face

			{{li\|I=S2/LR\|dimension=F2\|Q=618}}The United States' journey was different from the Soviet Union because it involved 13 states agreeing to join into a government [https://williamferreira.substack.com/p/modular-revolution-and-civilism] -> well somebody literally hasn't read a history book. why the fuck was it called the UNION of Soviet Socialist REPUBLICS? there were 14 of them, and they came together. nobody fucking remembers what USSR means, and we're supposed to believe they understand all of world history when they can't remember a fucking acronym.

			{{li\|I=S2/PT\|tradition=LR, ES, PT\|dimension=F2\|Q=618}}Lenin is the same as Pol Pot [https://williamferreira.substack.com/p/modular-revolution-and-civilism] -> I tried to look up the word "civilism" to see if it had already been used. it has at least three different existing usages. one of them looked really interesting like it was going to be a description of an anarchism but then I clicked it up to find fucking PragerU talking points. yeah, looks really promising already!

			{{li\|I=S2/ES\|dimension=F2\|Q=618}}These days U.S. politics always demands fully-formed plans [https://williamferreira.substack.com/p/modular-revolution-and-civilism] -> I think that's genuinely the opposite of true. absolutely everything is being chunked down into the smallest possible changes as far as I can see

			{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Corporations have been presenting policies and agendas designed or defended by entire compartmentalized teams of people and that's bad, because policies that make it up to the United States Congress are supposed to be tested per town [https://williamferreira.substack.com/p/modular-revolution-and-civilism] / civilism proposition (Ferreira & Losurdo) -> this person has no understanding whatsover of how countries materially work. even if this was feasible it would be a bad idea because it's assuming all cities and towns are physically the same, but on a basic level they aren't going to be physically the same or have the same policies. to even remotely get policies synchronized across a country you pretty much need oddly shaped formations like corporations that extend specifically across states into similar areas of each state and go advocate for all the similar big cities or all the mountain areas or all the patches where Black people or Latinos live, because none of that is consistent across multiple towns in a state.<br/>
			this is weirdly similar to Trotskyist errors of thinking government ministries are bad because they're bigger than towns and yet I swear Trotskyists are smarter than this because they're at least smart enough to understand that areas of similar people (workers) can span across European countries and something that jumps intuitive geographic boundaries is necessary

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	== Ideology codes ==		== Ideology codes ==

	* ~~(none)~~		* A / anarchism
			* ES / Bookchinism

Reversedragon: copy markup from 9k/Q19,63

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copy markup from 9k/Q19,63

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</li><li class="field_anarchy" data-qid="34,12" value="3412" data-dimension="S">Bookchinism / Communalism (anarchism) -> an anarchism based on creating tiny Liberal-republicanisms inside parts of cities. it has the advantage of at least talking about something tangible and being logical. but it does seem to assume a lot of things that don't really make sense.

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