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	<li class="field_ML" data-remark="Marx said this" data-qid="40,47" value="4047" data-dimension="S2">Having a movement at all is half the battle / Having a Social-Philosophical-Material-System is half the battle / Having an SPMS is step zero / The key to beginning socialist transition is grouping people into a movement -> the claim that for instance the Paris Commune (perhaps the example I would pick is North Korea) is important primarily because it actually created a movement, Factically existing within the real world; a single physical movement of people doing anything is worth far more than any stack of ideology because it can, in theory, be transformed into a more intelligent system with more accurate theory as time goes on. I have only tiny issues with this concept, such as: if a movement is based on things fundamentally incompatible with any of the suggestions Marx made, to the point you have no idea at all how to transform it into a workers' state, can this really be true? this is a big problem in the United States. we base all our movements in things like racism and transphobia, in the specific sense that progress itself equals people already in power deciding not to be mean to the people they oppress, and progress couldn't possibly equal ethnic minorities or LGBT people being workers and actively building a new society to replace the old one, it has to be solely based on the right of populations and individuals <em>to merely exist~~</em>~~ and the responsibility of populations <em>to coexist~~</em>~~. it's in the name (that I gave all this stuff), "Existentialism" — capitalism is over if Black people are doing capitalism but they're not being horrifically shot to death in inner cities and they now live and exist. capitalism is over if homosexuality isn't illegal and trans people can be in public instead of hanging out with the mafia because they have nowhere to go. you can get gigantic protests out of this and yet it only regenerates capitalism, because it's not doing the duty of trying to unify individuals into a country around a new Particle Theory; it's not actually building a new SPMS even though people falsely believe it is. how do you transform that? you need a really good new theory that can actually analyze the moving parts of every movement and how movements relate to each other — meta-Marxism — so you can actually listen to each movement and compute the most effective way to transform the whole country out of capitalism with that particular class-ignoring ideology, or successfully fit the class-ignoring ideologies together.		<li class="field_ML" data-remark="Marx said this" data-qid="40,47" value="4047" data-dimension="S2"><h4>Having a movement at all is half the battle</h4> / Having a Social-Philosophical-Material-System is half the battle / Having an SPMS is step zero / The key to beginning socialist transition is grouping people into a movement -><br/>the claim that for instance the Paris Commune (perhaps the example I would pick is North Korea) is important primarily because it actually created a movement, Factically existing within the real world; a single physical movement of people doing anything is worth far more than any stack of ideology because it can, in theory, be transformed into a more intelligent system with more accurate theory as time goes on.<br/> I have only tiny issues with this concept, such as: if a movement is based on things fundamentally incompatible with any of the suggestions Marx made, to the point you have no idea at all how to transform it into a workers' state, can this really be true? this is a big problem in the United States. we base all our movements in things like racism and transphobia, in the specific sense that progress itself equals people already in power {{a\|deciding not to be mean to the people they oppress\|E=direct action (Gramscianism)}}, and progress couldn't possibly equal ethnic minorities or LGBT people being workers and actively building a new society to replace the old one, it has to be solely based on the right of populations and individuals {{em\|to merely exist\|E=Human moralities are a fundamental layer of material reality}} and the responsibility of populations {{em\|to coexist}}. it's in the name (that I gave all this stuff), "{{a\|Existentialism\|E=Q73}}" — capitalism is over if Black people are doing capitalism but they're not being horrifically shot to death in inner cities and they now live and exist. capitalism is over if homosexuality isn't illegal and trans people can be in public instead of hanging out with the mafia because they have nowhere to go. you can get gigantic protests out of this and yet it only regenerates capitalism, because it's not doing the duty of trying to unify individuals into a country around a new [[:Category:Bauplan ontologies\|Particle Theory]]; it's not actually building a new SPMS even though people falsely believe it is. how do you transform that? you need a really good new theory that can actually analyze the moving parts of every movement and how movements relate to each other — {{a\|meta-Marxism\|E=Q92}} — so you can actually listen to each movement and compute the most effective way to transform the whole country out of capitalism with that particular class-ignoring ideology, or successfully fit the class-ignoring ideologies together.

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<li class="field_ML" data-remark="Marx said this" data-qid="40,47" value="4047" data-dimension="S2">Having a movement at all is half the battle / Having a Social-Philosophical-Material-System is half the battle / Having an SPMS is step zero / The key to beginning socialist transition is grouping people into a movement -> the claim that for instance the Paris Commune (perhaps the example I would pick is North Korea) is important primarily because it actually created a movement, Factically existing within the real world; a single physical movement of people doing anything is worth far more than any stack of ideology because it can, in theory, be transformed into a more intelligent system with more accurate theory as time goes on. I have only tiny issues with this concept, such as: if a movement is based on things fundamentally incompatible with any of the suggestions Marx made, to the point you have no idea at all how to transform it into a workers' state, can this really be true? this is a big problem in the United States. we base all our movements in things like racism and transphobia, in the specific sense that progress itself equals people already in power deciding not to be mean to the people they oppress, and progress couldn't possibly equal ethnic minorities or LGBT people being workers and actively building a new society to replace the old one, it has to be solely based on the right of populations and individuals <em>to merely exist</em> and the responsibility of populations <em>to coexist</em>. it's in the name (that I gave all this stuff), "Existentialism" — capitalism is over if Black people are doing capitalism but they're not being horrifically shot to death in inner cities and they now live and exist. capitalism is over if homosexuality isn't illegal and trans people can be in public instead of hanging out with the mafia because they have nowhere to go. you can get gigantic protests out of this and yet it only regenerates capitalism, because it's not doing the duty of trying to unify individuals into a country around a new Particle Theory; it's not actually building a new SPMS even though people falsely believe it is. how do you transform that? you need a really good new theory that can actually analyze the moving parts of every movement and how movements relate to each other — meta-Marxism — so you can actually listen to each movement and compute the most effective way to transform the whole country out of capitalism with that particular class-ignoring ideology, or successfully fit the class-ignoring ideologies together.

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