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	<li class="field_exstruct" data-remark="linguistics" data-qid="51,29" value="5129" data-dimension="S">let's eat grandpa / the first Undertale ever received / please workers only (sign installed in public place which appears to be an instruction to only obey workers) -> the motif of an utterance which has different meanings depending on how the same set of words graphs together into clauses. (let's eat) (grandpa) vs (let's) (eat grandpa). (the first received) (Undertale ever) vs (the first ever) (Undertale received).<br />		<li class="field_exstruct" data-remark="linguistics" data-qid="51,29" value="5129" data-dimension="S">let's eat grandpa / the first Undertale ever received / please workers only (sign installed in public place which appears to be an instruction to only obey workers) -> the motif of an utterance which has different meanings depending on how the same set of words graphs together into clauses. (let's eat) (grandpa) vs (let's) (eat grandpa). (the first received) (Undertale ever) vs (the first ever) (Undertale received).<br />
	I have no idea why but I looked at "the first Undertale ever received" and it was immensely funny to me for no good reason. there's nothing inherently funny about there being a first person that downloaded Undertale. statistically there has to be one. it's a very mundane thing, really. but there's really something about wording it as "the first Undertale ever received". I guess, about putting it in passive voice and making it almost overly formal. like narrator-Gaster said it. "{{caps\|We approach its realization. The first Delta Rune ever received.}}" it sounds like this very distanced statement of observation in the process of aiming for something else. it's a wonder how much the phrasing of something can affect its connotations.		I have no idea why but I looked at "the first Undertale ever received" and it was immensely funny to me for no good reason. there's nothing inherently funny about there being a first person that downloaded Undertale. statistically there has to be one. it's a very mundane thing, really. but there's really something about wording it as "the first Undertale ever received". I guess, about putting it in passive voice and making it almost overly formal. like narrator-Gaster said it. "{{caps\|We approach its realization. The first Delta Rune ever received.}}" it sounds like this very distanced statement of observation in the process of aiming for something else. it's a wonder how much the phrasing of something can affect its connotations.

			</li><li class="field_trotsky" data-qid="51,29" value="5129" data-dimension="S">Trotsky helped lay the foundations of the Third International galvanizing revolutionary parties around the world [https://workersvoiceus.org/2020/08/18/trotskys-unfinished-article-on-trade-unions-still-speaks-to-workers-struggles/] -> found one of these in a Trotskyist article. it's apparently possible to do them with propositions and not just language.<br />
			I took the initiative to create internet + early Trotskyism / Leon Trotsky = Trotsky helped found the Third International galvanizing the world's parties.

			<li class="field_trotsky" data-qid="40,16" value="4016" data-dimension="S">Lenin and Trotsky who founded the {{TTS\|tts=Communist Party of the Soviet Union\|CPSU}}

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	<li class="field_exstruct" data-qid="51,28" value="5128" data-dimension="S">I took the initiative to create internet / I took the initiative in creating the internet [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/internet-of-lies/] -> remark made by Al Gore about coordinating universities and later telecommunications owners to work together to actually create the internet, which became infamous as an apparent statement he "invented the internet".<br/>		<li class="field_exstruct" data-qid="51,28" value="5128" data-dimension="S">I took the initiative to create internet / I took the initiative in creating the internet [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/internet-of-lies/] -> remark made by Al Gore about coordinating universities and later telecommunications owners to work together to actually create the internet, which became infamous as an apparent statement he "invented the internet".<br/>
	looking back at this sentence... I think the notable grammatical feature is a confusion between an uncountable concept (The Internet) and a semi-countable instantiation of an uncountable concept (internet networks, internet access). a grammatically-similar statement might go, "in about 1906 Trotsky formulated Marxism" — where the statement is super wrong if it refers to the general uncountable concept of Marxism, but technically correct if you think Marxism can be a countable thing and it's a meaningful statement to say that particular factions can create [[E:named Marxism (meta-Marxism)\|their own version]] that may be better or may be worse. that's simpler than the internet example though, because both "The Internet" and "internet" are a bit more {{em\|truly}} uncountable. maybe they're strictly distinguished by definiteness?		looking back at this sentence... I think the notable grammatical feature is a confusion between an uncountable concept (The Internet) and a semi-countable instantiation of an uncountable concept (internet networks, internet access). a grammatically-similar statement might go, "in about 1906 Trotsky formulated Marxism" — where the statement is super wrong if it refers to the general uncountable concept of Marxism, but technically correct if you think Marxism can be a countable thing and it's a meaningful statement to say that particular factions can create [[E:named Marxism (meta-Marxism)\|their own version]] that may be better or may be worse. that's simpler than the internet example though, because both "The Internet" and "internet" are a bit more {{em\|truly}} uncountable. maybe they're strictly distinguished by definiteness?

	</li><li class="field_trotsky" data-qid="51,29" value="5129" data-dimension="S">Trotsky helped lay the foundations of the Third International galvanizing revolutionary parties around the world [https://workersvoiceus.org/2020/08/18/trotskys-unfinished-article-on-trade-unions-still-speaks-to-workers-struggles/] -> found one of these in a Trotskyist article. it's apparently possible to do them with propositions and not just language.<br />
	~~I took the initiative to create internet + early Trotskyism / Leon Trotsky = Trotsky helped found the Third International galvanizing the world's parties.~~

	~~<li class="field_trotsky" data-qid="40,16" value="4016" data-dimension="S">Lenin and Trotsky who founded the {{TTS\|tts=Communist Party of the Soviet Union\|CPSU}}~~

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	~~</li>~~<li class="field_exstruct" data-remark="linguistics" data-qid="51,29" value="5129" data-dimension="S">let's eat grandpa / the first Undertale ever received / please workers only (sign installed in public place which appears to be an instruction to only obey workers) / Trotsky helped lay the foundations of the Third International galvanizing revolutionary parties around the world [https://workersvoiceus.org/2020/08/18/trotskys-unfinished-article-on-trade-unions-still-speaks-to-workers-struggles/] -> the motif of an utterance which has different meanings depending on how the same set of words graphs together into clauses. (let's eat) (grandpa) vs (let's) (eat grandpa). (the first received) (Undertale ever) vs (the first ever) (Undertale received).<br />		<li class="field_exstruct" data-remark="linguistics" data-qid="51,29" value="5129" data-dimension="S">let's eat grandpa / the first Undertale ever received / please workers only (sign installed in public place which appears to be an instruction to only obey workers) -> the motif of an utterance which has different meanings depending on how the same set of words graphs together into clauses. (let's eat) (grandpa) vs (let's) (eat grandpa). (the first received) (Undertale ever) vs (the first ever) (Undertale received).<br />
	I have no idea why but I looked at "the first Undertale ever received" and it was immensely funny to me for no good reason. there's nothing inherently funny about there being a first person that downloaded Undertale. statistically there has to be one. it's a very mundane thing, really. but there's really something about wording it as "the first Undertale ever received". I guess, about putting it in passive voice and making it almost overly formal. like narrator-Gaster said it. "{{caps\|We approach its realization. The first Delta Rune ever received.}}" it sounds like this very distanced statement of observation in the process of aiming for something else. it's a wonder how much the phrasing of something can affect its connotations~~.<br />~~		I have no idea why but I looked at "the first Undertale ever received" and it was immensely funny to me for no good reason. there's nothing inherently funny about there being a first person that downloaded Undertale. statistically there has to be one. it's a very mundane thing, really. but there's really something about wording it as "the first Undertale ever received". I guess, about putting it in passive voice and making it almost overly formal. like narrator-Gaster said it. "{{caps\|We approach its realization. The first Delta Rune ever received.}}" it sounds like this very distanced statement of observation in the process of aiming for something else. it's a wonder how much the phrasing of something can affect its connotations.
	~~edit: found one of these in a Trotskyist article. it's apparently possible to do them with propositions and not just language.<br />~~
	~~I took the initiative to create internet + early Trotskyism / Leon Trotsky = Trotsky helped found the Third International galvanizing the world's parties~~.

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	<li class="field_trotsky" data-qid="40,16" value="4016" data-dimension="S">Lenin and Trotsky who founded the CPSU		<li class="field_exstruct" data-qid="51,28" value="5128" data-dimension="S">I took the initiative to create internet / I took the initiative in creating the internet [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/internet-of-lies/] -> remark made by Al Gore about coordinating universities and later telecommunications owners to work together to actually create the internet, which became infamous as an apparent statement he "invented the internet".<br/>
			looking back at this sentence... I think the notable grammatical feature is a confusion between an uncountable concept (The Internet) and a semi-countable instantiation of an uncountable concept (internet networks, internet access). a grammatically-similar statement might go, "in about 1906 Trotsky formulated Marxism" — where the statement is super wrong if it refers to the general uncountable concept of Marxism, but technically correct if you think Marxism can be a countable thing and it's a meaningful statement to say that particular factions can create [[E:named Marxism (meta-Marxism)\|their own version]] that may be better or may be worse. that's simpler than the internet example though, because both "The Internet" and "internet" are a bit more {{em\|truly}} uncountable. maybe they're strictly distinguished by definiteness?

			</li><li class="field_trotsky" data-qid="51,29" value="5129" data-dimension="S">Trotsky helped lay the foundations of the Third International galvanizing revolutionary parties around the world [https://workersvoiceus.org/2020/08/18/trotskys-unfinished-article-on-trade-unions-still-speaks-to-workers-struggles/] -> found one of these in a Trotskyist article. it's apparently possible to do them with propositions and not just language.<br />
			I took the initiative to create internet + early Trotskyism / Leon Trotsky = Trotsky helped found the Third International galvanizing the world's parties.

			<li class="field_trotsky" data-qid="40,16" value="4016" data-dimension="S">Lenin and Trotsky who founded the {{TTS\|tts=Communist Party of the Soviet Union\|CPSU}}

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</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-remark="linguistics" data-qid="51,29" value="5129" data-dimension="S">let's eat grandpa / the first Undertale ever received / please workers only (sign installed in public place which appears to be an instruction to only obey workers) / Trotsky helped lay the foundations of the Third International galvanizing revolutionary parties around the world [https://workersvoiceus.org/2020/08/18/trotskys-unfinished-article-on-trade-unions-still-speaks-to-workers-struggles/] -> the motif of an utterance which has different meanings depending on how the same set of words graphs together into clauses. (let's eat) (grandpa) vs (let's) (eat grandpa). (the first received) (Undertale ever) vs (the first ever) (Undertale received).<br />
I have no idea why but I looked at "the first Undertale ever received" and it was immensely funny to me for no good reason. there's nothing inherently funny about there being a first person that downloaded Undertale. statistically there has to be one. it's a very mundane thing, really. but there's really something about wording it as "the first Undertale ever received". I guess, about putting it in passive voice and making it almost overly formal. like narrator-Gaster said it. "{{caps|We approach its realization. The first Delta Rune ever received.}}" it sounds like this very distanced statement of observation in the process of aiming for something else. it's a wonder how much the phrasing of something can affect its connotations.<br />
edit: found one of these in a Trotskyist article. it's apparently possible to do them with propositions and not just language.<br />
I took the initiative to create internet + early Trotskyism / Leon Trotsky = Trotsky helped found the Third International galvanizing the world's parties.

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<li class="field_trotsky" data-qid="40,16" value="4016" data-dimension="S">Lenin and Trotsky who founded the CPSU

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