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Reversedragon: Country characteristics have nothing to do with this

2026-04-29T10:39:22Z

Country characteristics have nothing to do with this

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	{{i\|Bolshevik-Leninist Party of North America, 5th congress}}<br/>		{{testimony\|Bolshevik-Leninist Party of North America, 5th congress}}<br/>
	{{i\|United Socialist States, 196X}}		{{testimony\|United Socialist States, 196X}}

	J: The Bolshevik-Leninist Party of North America is gathered here today to rule on whether Canada is Trotskyist.		J: The Bolshevik-Leninist Party of North America is gathered here today to rule on whether Canada is or is not Trotskyist.

	E: It is my opinion that Canada is most certainly Trotskyist.		E: It is my opinion that Canada is most certainly Trotskyist.

	E: Let's review four things it takes for a country to be Trotskyist.<br/>		E: Let's review four things it takes for a country to be Trotskyist.<br/>
	E: 1. Opposition to Stalinism. A party must not be in support of Stalinist countries.<br/>		E: {{testimony\|1. Opposition to Stalinism. A party must not be in support of Stalinist countries.}}<br/>
	E: 2. Opposition to bureaucracy. A party must guard against bureaucratic takeover.<br/>		E: {{testimony\|2. Opposition to bureaucracy. A party must guard against bureaucratic takeover.}}<br/>
	E: 3. Solid understanding of Leninism. A party must lead its workers to a good understanding of vanguard parties.<br/>		E: {{testimony\|3. Solid understanding of Leninism. A party must lead its workers to a good understanding of vanguard parties.}}<br/>
	E: 4. Socialist transition—		E: {{testimony\|4. Socialist transition—}}

	P: {{i\|[Objection!]}}<br/>		P: {{i\|[Objection!]}}<br/>
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	P: Let's refer back to this "solid understanding of Leninism" you speak of.		P: Let's refer back to this "solid understanding of Leninism" you speak of.

	<hr/>		E: ...

			P: What stops a Leninist party from being taken over by bureaucrats?

			E: A proper Materialist analysis.

			P: A proper Materialist analysis of what?<br/>
			P: And don't you go saying "material conditions".

			E: A proper Materialist analysis of all the currently-relevant tasks inside society.<br/>
			E: Such as: {{testimony\|replacing individual experts with newly-created collective enterprises.}}

			E: So, as you can see, the workers' representatives have to actually do something once they're elected.
			E: It's not a matter of "fill the country with workers and you're done".

			P: (There is something very wrong with his Leninism and I am going to find it.)

			P: {{stage\|[points]}} What do you consider to be opposition to Stalinism?

			E: <del>Opposition to Stalinism is when you defend your people's interests and don't sell out to Stalinist countries.</del> In the U.S.S.A., or in Canada?

			P: {{i\|[Objection!]}}<br/>
			P: Why would that be relevant?

	E: ~~So, as~~ you ~~can see, Canada is in fact Trotskyist~~, ~~despite what people say~~.		E: I'm sure you've heard of country characteristics, Comrade Wright.

	P: {{i\|[~~Hold it!~~]}}~~<br/>~~		P: Country characteristics have nothing to do with this.
	~~P: If the "Trotskyists" in~~ Canada ~~are real Trotskyists, then why aren't they trying to undermine~~ Canada?!		P: {{stage\|[slam]}} I asked you what distinguishes a Stalinist Canada from a Trotskyist Canada.

	E: ...		E: Well, surely, part of it would be correctly understanding country characteristics.

	<hr/>		<hr/>

	P: ~~Trotskyism~~ is ~~an international movement. No party that attempts to constrain the revolution to one country can possibly be a~~ Trotskyist ~~movement~~.		E: So, as you can see, Canada is in fact Trotskyist, despite what people say.

			<hr/>

	E: Well then... If Canada's party isn't Trotskyist, then what is it?		E: Well then... If Canada's party isn't Trotskyist, then what is it?
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	P: Cannonism. Schizoanalysis. BlackPantherism. Maoism. Libertarians. Indigenous movements. Trotskyite nationalism...<br/>		P: Cannonism. Schizoanalysis. BlackPantherism. Maoism. Libertarians. Indigenous movements. Trotskyite nationalism...<br/>
	P: Canada is an instance of Trotskyite nationalism!		P: Canada is an instance of Trotskyite nationalism!

			<hr/>

			P: {{i\|[Hold it!]}}<br/>
			P: If the "Trotskyists" in Canada are real Trotskyists, then why aren't they trying to undermine Canada?!

			E: ...

			P: Trotskyism is an international movement. No party that attempts to constrain the revolution to one country can possibly be a Trotskyist movement.

	[unfinished]		[unfinished]

Reversedragon: Let's refer back to this "solid understanding of Leninism" you speak of

2026-04-29T05:19:19Z

Let's refer back to this "solid understanding of Leninism" you speak of

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	E: Every one of those points is about workers.<br/>		E: Every one of those points is about workers.<br/>
	E: The purpose of a party is to collect workers' representatives, and when ~~they make~~ decisions, all the people making those decisions will have been sent ~~to the party~~ by the workers.		E: The purpose of a party is to collect workers' representatives, and when the party makes decisions, all the people making those decisions will have been sent by the workers.

			P: No.<br/>
			P: Let's refer back to this "solid understanding of Leninism" you speak of.

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