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Reversedragon: The IMT is experiencing a crisis of revolutionary leadership

2026-07-17T22:45:33Z

The IMT is experiencing a crisis of revolutionary leadership

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	{{li\|I=S2/IV\|Q=42,73\|Q2=4273}}??		{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=\|Q=42,73\|Q2=4273}}The IMT is experiencing a crisis of revolutionary leadership / The RCI is not meaningfully leading a Leninist movement

	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|tradition=MX onto ES, MX onto LR\|Q=42,75\|Q2=4275}}Every color revolution is [[:Category:Existentialist-Structuralist tradition\|blue]] / ([[User:RD/9k/Q42,76\|9k]])		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|tradition=MX onto ES, MX onto LR\|Q=42,75\|Q2=4275}}Every color revolution is [[:Category:Existentialist-Structuralist tradition\|blue]] / ([[User:RD/9k/Q42,76\|9k]])

Reversedragon: A bad Marxist party will ultimately do almost everything a Liberal-republican party does, including running an entire national government around capitalism

2026-06-30T23:46:40Z

A bad Marxist party will ultimately do almost everything a Liberal-republican party does, including running an entire national government around capitalism

Reversedragon: Yaroshenko

2026-06-27T05:48:11Z

Yaroshenko

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	{{li\|I=Z1/DX\|Q=49,38\|Q2=4938}}Khruschev		{{li\|I=Z1/DX\|Q=49,38\|Q2=4938}}Khruschev
	{{li\|I=Z1/DX\|Q=49,39\|Q2=4939}}Yaroshenko / ({{9k\|RD/Q22,13}}) -> I mark Yaroshenko strawberry to be as generous as possible to the claim he supposedly believed in socialism and more than that to point out the broad similarities to what he said and what the current CPC does, but to be honest he could just as easily be blue. his similarity to the CPC puts both of them rather close to the Mensheviks of 1900 which in turn puts him close to Liberal-republicanism		{{li\|I=Z1/LR/ES\|Q=49,39\|Q2=4939}}Yaroshenko / ({{9k\|RD/Q22,13}})

	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4940" data-dimension="Z0">prominent Trotskyist theorist or organizer / notable Trotskyist theorist or organizer		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4940" data-dimension="Z0">prominent Trotskyist theorist or organizer / notable Trotskyist theorist or organizer

Reversedragon: Tony Cliff

2026-06-27T05:26:17Z

Tony Cliff

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			{{li\|I=Z1/ES\|Q=49,48\|Q2=4948}}Tony Cliff / ({{9k\|RD/Q49,48}})
	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4949" data-dimension="Z">Hiroyoshi Hayashi / {{caps\|Hayashi}} Hiroyoshi -> Japan; (retrieve organization)		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4949" data-dimension="Z">Hiroyoshi Hayashi / {{caps\|Hayashi}} Hiroyoshi -> Japan; (retrieve organization)

	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4950" data-dimension="Z0">notable Trotskyite resistance leader or advocate / notable Zinovievist advocate or leader / notable Trotskyite conspiracy member		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4950" data-dimension="Z0">notable Trotskyite resistance leader or advocate / notable Zinovievist advocate or leader / notable Trotskyite conspiracy member
	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4951" data-dimension="Z">Grigori Zinoviev -> he became my arbitrary example of Trotskyite conspiracies versus what Trotskyism claims it is, after a few modern-day Trotskyites called him a hero just for wrecking the Soviet Union		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4951" data-dimension="Z">Grigori Zinoviev -> he became my arbitrary example of Trotskyite conspiracies versus what Trotskyism claims it is, after a few modern-day Trotskyites called him a hero just for wrecking the Soviet Union

Reversedragon: Bordigism

2026-06-25T07:09:41Z

Bordigism

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	</li><li class="field_gramsci" data-qid="41,08" value="4108" data-dimension="Z">Western Marxism		</li><li class="field_gramsci" data-qid="41,08" value="4108" data-dimension="Z">Western Marxism
	</li><li class="field_gramsci" data-qid="41,09" value="4109" data-dimension="Z">Gramscianism		</li><li class="field_gramsci" data-qid="41,09" value="4109" data-dimension="Z">Gramscianism
	</li><li class="field_trotsky" data-qid="41,10" value="4110" data-dimension="Z">Bordigism (named Marxism) / Bordiga and ICP's Marxism -> this is not affiliated with Trotskyism as far as I know right now. it has the swatch because from the little I've heard about it, I half remember somebody accusing it of being sectarian. still learning about it, so the swatch may change later

			{{li\|I=Z1/ML\|Q=41,10\|Q2=4110}}Bordigism (named Marxism) / Bordiga and ICP's Marxism / ({{9k\|RD/Q41,10}})
	{{li\|I=S1/IV/MX\|Q=4111\|Q2=4111}}versioning Communist Internationals like software packages / ({{9k\|RD/Q4111}})		{{li\|I=S1/IV/MX\|Q=4111\|Q2=4111}}versioning Communist Internationals like software packages / ({{9k\|RD/Q4111}})

Reversedragon: Trotskyite conspiracy period

2026-06-12T06:50:14Z

Trotskyite conspiracy period

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Reversedragon: they purged members of the scientific community / the science bureaucracy

2026-06-12T03:30:28Z

they purged members of the scientific community / the science bureaucracy

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Reversedragon: Laws don't apply to Lev Sedov

2026-06-10T05:22:59Z

Laws don't apply to Lev Sedov

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			{{li\|I=S2/Zv\|Q=44,36\|Q2=4436}}Laws don't apply to Lev Sedov / ({{9k\|RD/Q41,91}})

	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4437" data-dimension="S2">??		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4437" data-dimension="S2">??
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Reversedragon: Trotsky changed his name to Sedov for citizenship reasons

2026-06-10T00:51:40Z

Trotsky changed his name to Sedov for citizenship reasons

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	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_trotsky" value~~="4141~~" data~~-~~dimension="S2"~~>??
			{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=\|Q=41,41\|Q2=4141}}Trotsky changed his name to Sedov for citizenship reasons [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskARussian/comments/18c5gne/trotskys_son_naming/] [https://trotskyana.net/Leon_Trotsky/Genealogy/genealogy.htm] -> mostly just a funny little bit of trivia about the notoriously bad Russian passport system that remained notoriously bad into the time of the Soviet Union. (quite literally, the Bolsheviks took advantage of the bad passport system of the Russian Empire, and then the Trotskyite conspirators did it again.) but sometimes it comes up when pondering the weird little question of whether Trotsky and his son Lev Sedov technically have the exact same name. I just cannot get over that, that he would always act like it doesn't matter if he's arrogant if he's correct, but he and his son have the same name.

	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4142" data-dimension="S2">??		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4142" data-dimension="S2">??
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Reversedragon: Mathematics can save Leon Trotsky, because morality never will

2026-05-30T00:06:16Z

Mathematics can save Leon Trotsky, because morality never will

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			{{li\|I=S2/MX/MD\|Q=40,59\|Q2=4059\|h4= Math can save Trotsky }} / Mathematics can save Leon Trotsky, because morality never will

	{{li\|I=S2/IV\|Q=40,60\|Q2=4060}}Trotsky had a predictive theory of Stalin's Marxism / The Left Opposition was formed in 1923 because Trotsky predicted what would happen later; this is to imply he knew better ways to build a functioning Marxist party; this is to imply he knew how to actually counter the rise of The Stalinists [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/09/15/xvps-s15.html] -> there is one thing I can say for this. Trotskyists technically know to some extent what violet Marxism is. they think it should be used to tear apart other Marxisms assuming they aren't Marxism. but if you ask them to merely describe how Stalin's Marxism functioned and why it supposedly fell apart starting in its early stages, they will definitely try.		{{li\|I=S2/IV\|Q=40,60\|Q2=4060}}Trotsky had a predictive theory of Stalin's Marxism / The Left Opposition was formed in 1923 because Trotsky predicted what would happen later; this is to imply he knew better ways to build a functioning Marxist party; this is to imply he knew how to actually counter the rise of The Stalinists [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/09/15/xvps-s15.html] -> there is one thing I can say for this. Trotskyists technically know to some extent what violet Marxism is. they think it should be used to tear apart other Marxisms assuming they aren't Marxism. but if you ask them to merely describe how Stalin's Marxism functioned and why it supposedly fell apart starting in its early stages, they will definitely try.

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	{{li\|I=S2/IV\|Q=42,73\|Q2=4273}}??		{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=\|Q=42,73\|Q2=4273}}The IMT is experiencing a crisis of revolutionary leadership / The RCI is not meaningfully leading a Leninist movement

	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|tradition=MX onto ES, MX onto LR\|Q=42,75\|Q2=4275}}Every color revolution is [[:Category:Existentialist-Structuralist tradition\|blue]] / ([[User:RD/9k/Q42,76\|9k]])		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|tradition=MX onto ES, MX onto LR\|Q=42,75\|Q2=4275}}Every color revolution is [[:Category:Existentialist-Structuralist tradition\|blue]] / ([[User:RD/9k/Q42,76\|9k]])

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	</li><li class="field_trotsky" data-qid="40,51" value="4051" data-dimension="S2">Socialism in one country will fail because borders leave people unconnected / Socialism in one country will fail because the point of Bolshevism is to connect people, and borders leave many people unconnected		</li><li class="field_trotsky" data-qid="40,51" value="4051" data-dimension="S2">Socialism in one country will fail because borders leave people unconnected / Socialism in one country will fail because the point of Bolshevism is to connect people, and borders leave many people unconnected
	</li><li class="field_trotsky" data-qid="40,52" value="4052" data-dimension="S2">Any particular group of individuals pursuing socialist transition benefits from being part of something larger -> molecularized version of the statement that there can't be a socialist transition in one country.		</li><li class="field_trotsky" data-qid="40,52" value="4052" data-dimension="S2">Any particular group of individuals pursuing socialist transition benefits from being part of something larger -> molecularized version of the statement that there can't be a socialist transition in one country.
	</li><li class="~~field_mdem~~" data-qid="40,53" value="4053" data-dimension="S2">If Trotskyists turn against a workers' state, they create a population too small to succeed -> logically true if you accept Q4052. if most of the people in the Soviet Union don't want to join Trotsky, the best result for Trotsky is he forms a teeny tiny Trotskyist workers' state, and if there can't be socialism in one country, by Trotskyist logic, that tiny Trotskyist workers' state will fail.		</li><li class="field_ML" data-qid="40,53" value="4053" data-dimension="S2">If Trotskyists turn against a workers' state, they create a population too small to succeed -> logically true if you accept Q4052. if most of the people in the Soviet Union don't want to join Trotsky, the best result for Trotsky is he forms a teeny tiny Trotskyist workers' state, and if there can't be socialism in one country, by Trotskyist logic, that tiny Trotskyist workers' state will fail.
	</li><li class="field_mdem" data-qid="40,54" value="4054" data-dimension="S2">Trotskyists benefit from standing together with mainstream Marxism-Leninism -> clearly follows from Q4052 and Q4053. if it is more or less impossible for Trotskyists to ever form into a workers' state bigger than South Korea without eventually running into "Stalinist" interference, they will only ever overcome the rest of the world's capitalists by joining together with other named Marxisms and each socialism aiding the others.		</li><li class="field_mdem" data-qid="40,54" value="4054" data-dimension="S2">Trotskyists benefit from standing together with mainstream Marxism-Leninism -> clearly follows from Q4052 and Q4053. if it is more or less impossible for Trotskyists to ever form into a workers' state bigger than South Korea without eventually running into "Stalinist" interference, they will only ever overcome the rest of the world's capitalists by joining together with other named Marxisms and each socialism aiding the others.

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			{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=MX, IV, IV onto DX\|Q=41,84\|Q=4184}}A bad Marxist party will ultimately do almost everything a Liberal-republican party does, including running an entire national government around capitalism -> quite honestly, yeah, the Trotskyists were right when they said (in different words) that there were similarities between the USFI, IMT, and Dengism. it seems like {{em\|every time}} a party takes over anything and doesn't understand Marxism you just get capitalism again, and the further they are from understanding Marxism the quicker you see Liberal-republicanism regenerated, while when they're closer it takes longer but it still happens. thus all the tiny errors inside the IMT's understanding pile up quickly into never really creating a workers' state at all and replicating the Labour Party, but the Communist Party of China sort of accomplished something because it vaguely understood things like joining everyone into a national movement and unifying the people.<br/>
			fervent perfidious enemies + ?? = this.

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	{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=MX onto IV\|Q=41,92\|Q2=4192}}Trotskyism-in-one-country would be upper-phase communism / The end state of Stalin's Marxism is the beginning of Trotskyism-in-one-country; with no errors, Stalin himself would create the conditions for Trotskyism-in-one-country / ([[User:RD/9k/Q4192\|9k]])		{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=MX onto IV\|Q=41,92\|Q2=4192}}Trotskyism-in-one-country would be upper-phase communism / The end state of Stalin's Marxism is the beginning of Trotskyism-in-one-country; with no errors, Stalin himself would create the conditions for Trotskyism-in-one-country / ([[User:RD/9k/Q4192\|9k]])
	{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=MX onto IV\|Q=41,93\|Q2=4193}}Trotskyism does not have socialism / As a named Marxism, Trotskyism does not anticipate an era of socialist transition; anything that happens before a period of upper-phase communism is not recognized as part of the named Marxism / ([[User:RD/9k/Q4192\|9k]])		{{li\|I=S2/ML\|tradition=MX onto IV\|Q=41,93\|Q2=4193}}Trotskyism does not have socialism / As a named Marxism, Trotskyism does not anticipate an era of socialist transition; anything that happens before a period of upper-phase communism is not recognized as part of the named Marxism / ([[User:RD/9k/Q4192\|9k]])

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