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Reversedragon: /* Pitch haven */ re-sort

2025-04-11T09:48:58Z

Pitch haven: re-sort

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	== Pitch haven ==		== Pitch haven ==

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	<h3 style="margin: 0 0 0.9em 0; padding-top: 0;"><time datetime="2025-04-11T04:47:52Z">3240</time></h3>		<h3 style="margin: 0 0 0.9em 0; padding-top: 0;"><time datetime="2025-04-11T04:47:52Z">3240</time></h3>
	<div style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-family: inherit; background: inherit; border: none;">homeless people mad at the awful people who support them with supposed generosity - Existentialism, basically.		<div style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-family: inherit; background: inherit; border: none;">homeless people mad at the awful people who support them with supposed generosity - Existentialism, basically.
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	there's a certain poetry to how that almost makes sense and then goes to somewhere that totally doesn't.		there's a certain poetry to how that almost makes sense and then goes to somewhere that totally doesn't.
	is this connected to the Sarkites / 610?		is this connected to the Sarkites / 610?
			logically it has to be, doesn't it? I really think there was one little thing about the Sarkites sharing flesh in the earlier entries

	also. this reminds me vaguely of that really cursed Katalyka kickstarter, only somehow omitting the blatant racism. they merely hate plants, but they've made their entire belief system around whether you're on the side of plants or not		also. this reminds me vaguely of that really cursed Katalyka kickstarter, only somehow omitting the blatant racism. they merely hate plants, but they've made their entire belief system around whether you're on the side of plants or not

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	<div class="bop" style="border-top: 1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1)~~; border: none~~; padding-top: 0.9em;">		<div class="bop" style="border-top: 1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1); padding-top: 0.9em;">
	~~<!--~~ <h3 style="margin: 0 0 0.9em 0; padding-top: 0;"><time datetime="2025-04-11T09:45:08Z">~~3-27~~</time></h3>		<h3 style="margin: 0 0 0.9em 0; padding-top: 0;"><time datetime="2025-04-11T09:45:08Z">Pitch Haven</time></h3>
	~~-->~~<div style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-family: inherit; background: inherit; border: none;">are there... two continuities about animals and Christianity? I have to wonder if they have anything to do with each other		<div style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-family: inherit; background: inherit; border: none;">are there... two continuities about animals and Christianity? I have to wonder if they have anything to do with each other
	[edit:] ~~the thing that~~ confuses me more is whether Pitch Haven is connected to 3240.		[edit:] what confuses me more is whether Pitch Haven is connected to 3240.

	SCP-1845 - Animal Kingdom		SCP-1845 - Animal Kingdom

Reversedragon: pitch haven

2025-04-11T09:45:34Z

pitch haven

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 sees cognitohazard that at least for him, death is a fate worse than death
 leads later to Foundation attempt to destroy death
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-== SCP-001 proposals ==
+== SCP-001 Black Adytum ==
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 Xenophon designed not to be vulnerable to potential idea hazards of flesh religion. this is its purpose, and what it does prove to be able to do

Reversedragon: SCP-3240

2025-04-11T04:48:43Z

SCP-3240

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 sees cognitohazard that at least for him, death is a fate worse than death
 leads later to Foundation attempt to destroy death
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Reversedragon: /* SCP-001 proposals */ magic as bending the world to one's will

2025-04-10T09:10:00Z

SCP-001 proposals: magic as bending the world to one's will

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	> there are few things she does not exert her control over		> there are few things she does not exert her control over
	And here's the part where Napoleon extends over Europe to spread Liberalism because nothing else worked to make anyone adopt it or to preserve it.		And here's the part where Napoleon extends over Europe to spread Liberalism because nothing else worked to make anyone adopt it or to preserve it.
			[S] [[Ontology:Q6642\|magic as bending the world to one's will]]

	it's..... a lot to unpack how this story mostly has a good understanding of progressive anthropology and how history should be studied, <em>except</em> the moment it suddenly starts totally projecting European theories of how countries and government form onto other Cultures as the only way that Cultures could possibly understand countries. guys. philosophers everywhere. the European definition of "dictator" is culture.		it's..... a lot to unpack how this story mostly has a good understanding of progressive anthropology and how history should be studied, <em>except</em> the moment it suddenly starts totally projecting European theories of how countries and government form onto other Cultures as the only way that Cultures could possibly understand countries. guys. philosophers everywhere. the European definition of "dictator" is culture.
	not the part of what actions or processes are abusive of course. but, the interpretation of <em>why</em> individuals or small groups seek to exert control, before they perhaps do anything bloody. <em>that part</em>.		not the part of what actions or processes are abusive of course. but, the interpretation of <em>why</em> individuals or small groups seek to exert control, before they perhaps do anything bloody. <em>that part</em>.

Reversedragon: /* SCP-001 proposals */ part 6

2025-04-10T09:06:52Z

SCP-001 proposals: part 6

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	> there is nothing alive in this city but her		> there is nothing alive in this city but her
	this sounds a lot like the Patchwork King entry. which I think is also a version of "the hanged king". could it be this is meant as another prior history for the hanged king?		this sounds a lot like the Patchwork King entry. which I think is also a version of "the hanged king". could it be this is meant as another prior history for the hanged king?

			part 6 -
			> there are few things she does not exert her control over
			And here's the part where Napoleon extends over Europe to spread Liberalism because nothing else worked to make anyone adopt it or to preserve it.
			it's..... a lot to unpack how this story mostly has a good understanding of progressive anthropology and how history should be studied, <em>except</em> the moment it suddenly starts totally projecting European theories of how countries and government form onto other Cultures as the only way that Cultures could possibly understand countries. guys. philosophers everywhere. the European definition of "dictator" is culture.
			not the part of what actions or processes are abusive of course. but, the interpretation of <em>why</em> individuals or small groups seek to exert control, before they perhaps do anything bloody. <em>that part</em>.
			the world is not just one big family of individual socially-linked friends. being multiple "families", the "socially-linked families" of the world do not automatically seek to be nice and moral to each other. they seek to survive, and it often happens at each other's expense. because we're mortal.
			that's what's so frustrating, that this story, like many others, appeals to "mortality making us human" and tries to present death as some kind of equalizer that keeps people from having power, when it really does not have that kind of power to bring order or justice. death is just, chaos, entropy. it doesn't order anything. only life is capable of exerting effort to reverse entropy. but life exerts effort in multiple directions, not the same direction. that's the problem. if you believe life is power, then you believe that really bad things are required to balance out power, like hatred, war, or thievery. if you don't believe life is power, then you realize this is stupid, and it's actually the belief that life is power that makes people hate each other.
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	[[Category:RD commentary]] [[Category:SCP Foundation ontology]]		[[Category:RD commentary]] [[Category:SCP Foundation ontology]]

Reversedragon: /* SCP-001 proposals */ part 5

2025-04-10T08:15:20Z

SCP-001 proposals: part 5

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	[S] imperialism as Original Sin within genesis myth		[S] imperialism as Original Sin within genesis myth
	I think this is a different one from "built on the ashes of fae bones", because of its explicit references to the Abrahamic bible.		I think this is a different one from "built on the ashes of fae bones", because of its explicit references to the Abrahamic bible.

			part 5 -
			> there is nothing alive in this city but her
			this sounds a lot like the Patchwork King entry. which I think is also a version of "the hanged king". could it be this is meant as another prior history for the hanged king?
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	[[Category:RD commentary]] [[Category:SCP Foundation ontology]]		[[Category:RD commentary]] [[Category:SCP Foundation ontology]]

Reversedragon: /* SCP-001 proposals */ link: mistaken quest to steal immortality from the gods

2025-04-10T06:52:02Z

SCP-001 proposals: link: mistaken quest to steal immortality from the gods

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	> demanded of the gods how they achieved immortality		> demanded of the gods how they achieved immortality
	Journey to the West / epic of Gilgamesh, again.		Journey to the West / epic of Gilgamesh, again.
	[S] mistaken quest to steal immortality from the gods		[S] [[Ontology:Q7610\|mistaken quest to steal immortality from the gods]]

	part 4 -		part 4 -

Reversedragon: /* SCP-001 proposals */ mistaken quest to steal immortality from the gods

2025-04-10T06:29:20Z

SCP-001 proposals: mistaken quest to steal immortality from the gods

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	> I will not take any action you would not take		> I will not take any action you would not take
	exactly what I said about the Saiyan empire. if you have a really simplistic definition of democracy, nationalist monarchy can be indistinguishable from "democracy"		exactly what I said about the Saiyan empire. if you have a really simplistic definition of democracy, nationalist monarchy can be indistinguishable from "democracy"

			> demanded of the gods how they achieved immortality
			Journey to the West / epic of Gilgamesh, again.
			[S] mistaken quest to steal immortality from the gods

	part 4 -		part 4 -

Reversedragon: /* SCP-001 proposals */ part 3

2025-04-10T06:23:06Z

SCP-001 proposals: part 3

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	[edit:] I think. they're inventing "government" of a population. it's not as complicated as inventing "democracy". the description sounding like Liberalism may be a misdirecting joke.		[edit:] I think. they're inventing "government" of a population. it's not as complicated as inventing "democracy". the description sounding like Liberalism may be a misdirecting joke.
	[S] fantasy populations inventing democracy not allowed / who would want to invent democracy?		[S] fantasy populations inventing democracy not allowed / who would want to invent democracy?
	this is how their attempt to destroy theocracy and slavery ultimately ends up in spontaneously reinventing monarchy.		this is how their attempt to destroy theocracy and slavery ultimately ends up in spontaneously reinventing monarchy (part 3).

	the klavigars (sp? I have an audio version.) are clan members - horizontal relationships made to form a clan or tribe		the klavigars (sp? I have an audio version.) are clan members - horizontal relationships made to form a clan or tribe
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	sa'arn's heart -		sa'arn's heart -
	one of the important revelations of part 2 is that the Old Masters were using flesh arts to abuse the slaves		one of the important revelations of part 2 is that the Old Masters were using flesh arts to abuse the slaves
	thus in using their own abilities unwillingly "given" to them, the Nalka~~(?)~~ had to use the weapons of abuse to defeat the Old Masters		thus in using their own abilities unwillingly "given" to them, the Nalka had to use the weapons of abuse to defeat the Old Masters
	this ties back to the Old Masters' twisted religion around the evil god that created the weapons of abuse		this ties back to the Old Masters' twisted religion around the evil god that created the weapons of abuse
	at some point, I think in the later parts, it's shown that the Nalka still being tied to Yaldabaoth is causing problems		at some point, I think in the later parts, it's shown that the Nalka still being tied to Yaldabaoth is causing problems
	which is to say......... that the Old Masters abused people because they had a Bad Wrong Toxic Culture, and you can only get out of the cycle of abuse if you make a Good Right Natural Culture. my least favorite idea in Existentialism and Gramscianism. this story even kind of slightly shows why it's dumb: the Nalka ~~(were they the Nalka in part 2?)~~ were in the wrong because they acted like they were a superior group of people versus their enemies. but the whole notion that culture can be wrong is, in a much more literal sense, to declare a superior culture, just through different parameters of "tolerance", "intersubjectivity", and "nonviolence".		which is to say......... that the Old Masters abused people because they had a Bad Wrong Toxic Culture, and you can only get out of the cycle of abuse if you make a Good Right Natural Culture. my least favorite idea in Existentialism and Gramscianism. this story even kind of slightly shows why it's dumb: the Nalka were in the wrong because they acted like they were a superior group of people versus their enemies. but the whole notion that culture can be wrong is, in a much more literal sense, to declare a superior culture, just through different parameters of "tolerance", "intersubjectivity", and "nonviolence".
	this plot culminates in the toxic Nalka leaving their oppressor's bodies in the street, and not consuming them like they're supposed to.		this plot culminates in the toxic Nalka leaving their oppressor's bodies in the street, and not consuming them like they're supposed to.
	it's funny we can get so deep into this that it seems perfectly normal to hear the Nalka/Sarkic use feeding the bodies to the people or environment as a common metaphor for love and acceptance and forgiving the enemy. sure. okay. if it's only a metaphor, why <em>wouldn't</em> you speak of the [https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-610 flesh city] gulping people in as a positive expression? I swear this is the best thing to come out of that SCP, when you'd think nothing could turn that positive.		it's funny we can get so deep into this that it seems perfectly normal to hear the Nalka/Sarkic use feeding the bodies to the people or environment as a common metaphor for love and acceptance and forgiving the enemy. sure. okay. if it's only a metaphor, why <em>wouldn't</em> you speak of the [https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-610 flesh city] gulping people in as a positive expression? I swear this is the best thing to come out of that SCP, when you'd think nothing could turn that positive.
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	devouring... defectors... caused them to turn into awful nationalists?		devouring... defectors... caused them to turn into awful nationalists?

			> I will not take any action you would not take
			exactly what I said about the Saiyan empire. if you have a really simplistic definition of democracy, nationalist monarchy can be indistinguishable from "democracy"

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Reversedragon: /* SCP-001 proposals */ re-sort

2025-04-10T06:00:57Z

SCP-001 proposals: re-sort

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	the klavigars (sp? I have an audio version.) are clan members - horizontal relationships made to form a clan or tribe		the klavigars (sp? I have an audio version.) are clan members - horizontal relationships made to form a clan or tribe
	they subsequently also come to mean an ancestor who can share memories, though some of the memories have to be hidden or forgotten apparently		they subsequently also come to mean an ancestor who can share memories, though some of the memories have to be hidden or forgotten apparently

			> bodies in the streets
			is this... Hannah Arendt's <cite>On Revolution</cite>?
			I can vaguely see the notion of free-floating factions destroying others to ultimately protect themselves, in the tradition of the Jacobins
			that, and the notion of French atheism or secular philosophy during the Enlightenment
			I think I'm onto something. this seems like a more likely origin than an intentional reference to schizoanalysis

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	this plot culminates in the toxic Nalka leaving their oppressor's bodies in the street, and not consuming them like they're supposed to.		this plot culminates in the toxic Nalka leaving their oppressor's bodies in the street, and not consuming them like they're supposed to.
	it's funny we can get so deep into this that it seems perfectly normal to hear the Nalka/Sarkic use feeding the bodies to the people or environment as a common metaphor for love and acceptance and forgiving the enemy. sure. okay. if it's only a metaphor, why <em>wouldn't</em> you speak of the [https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-610 flesh city] gulping people in as a positive expression? I swear this is the best thing to come out of that SCP, when you'd think nothing could turn that positive.		it's funny we can get so deep into this that it seems perfectly normal to hear the Nalka/Sarkic use feeding the bodies to the people or environment as a common metaphor for love and acceptance and forgiving the enemy. sure. okay. if it's only a metaphor, why <em>wouldn't</em> you speak of the [https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-610 flesh city] gulping people in as a positive expression? I swear this is the best thing to come out of that SCP, when you'd think nothing could turn that positive.

	~~> (retrieve example)~~
	~~is this... Hannah Arendt's <cite>On Revolution</cite>?~~
	~~I can vaguely see the notion of free-floating factions destroying others to ultimately protect themselves, in the tradition of the Jacobins~~
	~~that, and the notion of French atheism or secular philosophy during the Enlightenment~~
	~~I think I'm onto something. this seems like a more likely origin than an intentional reference to schizoanalysis~~

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