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in the end, while it is greatly useful to group every outward Existentialist philosophy into the Existentialist-Structuralist tradition<br />
we probably need to distinguish between different kinds of Existentialist strategies for improving society<br />
the developed Existentialism of Deleuze and Guattari is really different from the cruder Existentialism that tries to make everything that happens in society about individuals individually choosing to follow morality
the developed Existentialism of Deleuze and Guattari is really different from the cruder Existentialism that tries to make everything that happens in society about individuals individually choosing to follow morality


* primitive Existentialism
* primitive Existentialism
  * real-life Factical conditions which form the basis of Existentialist Philosophical Systems or Social-Philosophical-Material Systems.
** real-life Factical conditions which form the basis of Existentialist Philosophical Systems or Social-Philosophical-Material Systems.
  * relativistic plurality of free-floating individuals moving on separate social world lines / material-histories
** relativistic plurality of free-floating individuals moving on separate social world lines / material-histories
    * Vegeta effect of a disconnected individual being completely sovereign over all potential relationships is primitive Existentialism
*** Vegeta effect of a disconnected individual being completely sovereign over all potential relationships is primitive Existentialism
    * early/small capitalism practiced as a mere contingent event _without any ideology_ dictating that it be created is primitive Existentialism
*** early/small capitalism practiced as a mere contingent event <em>without any ideology</em> dictating that it be created is primitive Existentialism
    * primitive Existentialism is not synonymous with capitalism, and refers to the underlying small-scale conditions that emergently create and lead to capitalism on larger scales.
*** primitive Existentialism is not synonymous with capitalism, and refers to the underlying small-scale conditions that emergently create and lead to capitalism on larger scales.


* entropy Existentialism
* entropy Existentialism
  * there's no way to predict any of the free-floating minds!! - Rothenberg, Lacanianism
** there's no way to predict any of the free-floating minds!! - Rothenberg, Lacanianism
  * seemingly random motions of market will create invisible hand - right-Liberalism, primitive Existentialism
** seemingly random motions of market will create invisible hand - right-Liberalism, primitive Existentialism
  * entropy Existentialism models appear to form as a rhetorical justification for primitive Existentialism
** entropy Existentialism models appear to form as a rhetorical justification for primitive Existentialism
  * there's no predicting history!!! because I don't believe that history could mean material-history. - that russian history video, Sabine Hossenfelder, Rothenberg
** there's no predicting history!!! because I don't believe that history could mean material-history. - that russian history video, Sabine Hossenfelder, Rothenberg
  * global empires such as the British Empire and United states can do "good things" by stationing troops in the right places
** global empires such as the British Empire and United states can do "good things" by stationing troops in the right places
    * one of the single most bullshit periods of Existentialism ever.
*** one of the single most bullshit periods of Existentialism ever.
    * I think this goes in entropy Existentialism because it's almost always a matter of claiming that we can't prevent wars and they just have to happen and the United States just has to win them or go on its predetermined path to lose them.
*** I think this goes in entropy Existentialism because it's almost always a matter of claiming that we can't prevent wars and they just have to happen and the United States just has to win them or go on its predetermined path to lose them.


* morality Existentialism
* morality Existentialism
  * religious "existentialism" about one person clearing their mind to improve all of society - Buddhist numbered bad-things, Christian ten commandments
** religious "existentialism" about one person clearing their mind to improve all of society - Buddhist numbered bad-things, Christian ten commandments
  * all of our problems can be fixed by specialized Artisans choosing to apply their power to help people - Gramscianism, Voluntary Socialism / Stallman Libertarianism
** all of our problems can be fixed by specialized Artisans choosing to apply their power to help people - Gramscianism, Voluntary Socialism / Stallman Libertarianism
    * Dragon Ball
*** <cite>Dragon Ball</cite>
    * Mike Masnick & Lawrence Lessig writing out rules for how to be a good business and somehow expecting anybody to follow them
*** Mike Masnick & Lawrence Lessig writing out rules for how to be a good business and somehow expecting anybody to follow them
  * corporations can improve the world by voluntarily donating their money - Stallman Libertarianism
** corporations can improve the world by voluntarily donating their money - Stallman Libertarianism


* free-choice Existentialism
* free-choice Existentialism
  * the world is about maximizing individual Freedom through the unrestricted exercise of Free Will
** the world is about maximizing individual Freedom through the unrestricted exercise of Free Will
  * our first axiom: Freedom and Free Will are even possible to define in the first place, rather than being nonsense.
** our first axiom: Freedom and Free Will are even possible to define in the first place, rather than being nonsense.
    * early existentialism in the time of Sartre
*** early existentialism in the time of Sartre
  * the category of Existentialism that insists that you can rewrite situations you have no control over into situations you supposedly do have control over just by saying you individually will that you do not accept them.
** the category of Existentialism that insists that you can rewrite situations you have no control over into situations you supposedly do have control over just by saying you individually will that you do not accept them.
  * individuals escaping from one local graph to another is justice - schizoanalysis
** individuals escaping from one local graph to another is justice - schizoanalysis
    * elsa. elsa is Existentialism too. she fixes everything by escaping.
*** elsa. elsa is Existentialism too. she fixes everything by escaping.


* hyper-Liberalism / fractal Liberalism
* hyper-Liberalism / fractal Liberalism
  * we must do everything we can to preserve plurality just because plurality is a necessary axiom and for almost no other reason - progressive anthropology, "sociology"
** we must do everything we can to preserve plurality just because plurality is a necessary axiom and for almost no other reason - progressive anthropology, "sociology"
    * here plurality _usually_ means arbitrary plurality of local culture, but it can occasionally mean philosophical plurality
*** here plurality <em>usually</em> means arbitrary plurality of local culture, but it can occasionally mean philosophical plurality
  * exemplified by Deleuze attempting to create an epistemological method for breaking free of local bias and recognizing Difference, although the task is impossible - schizoanalysis
** exemplified by Deleuze attempting to create an epistemological method for breaking free of local bias and recognizing Difference, although the task is impossible - schizoanalysis
  * hyper-Liberalism may or may not derive from free-choice Existentialism, but it is still its own thing because every philosophy contains people who are racist and people who are against racism. Deleuzian efforts to recognize Difference definitely divide a philosophy into wings and create a new philosophical period.
** hyper-Liberalism may or may not derive from free-choice Existentialism, but it is still its own thing because every philosophy contains people who are racist and people who are against racism. Deleuzian efforts to recognize Difference definitely divide a philosophy into wings and create a new philosophical period.
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[*] ES = Existentialist-Structuralist tradition
[*QHW] <cite>Existential Physics: A Scientist's Guide to Life's Biggest Questions</cite> ([[Philosophical_Research:Molecular_Democracy/5.2/9998 bibliography|Hossenfelder]] 2022).


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[*GHF] <cite>The heart and the fist: The education of a humanitarian, the making of a Navy SEAL</cite>. Greitens, E. (2012). <isbnsearch.org/isbn/978-0-547-75038-5>
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in the end, while it is greatly useful to group every outward Existentialist philosophy into the Existentialist-Structuralist tradition
we probably need to distinguish between different kinds of Existentialist strategies for improving society
the developed Existentialism of Deleuze and Guattari is really different from the cruder Existentialism that tries to make everything that happens in society about individuals individually choosing to follow morality

  • primitive Existentialism
    • real-life Factical conditions which form the basis of Existentialist Philosophical Systems or Social-Philosophical-Material Systems.
    • relativistic plurality of free-floating individuals moving on separate social world lines / material-histories
      • Vegeta effect of a disconnected individual being completely sovereign over all potential relationships is primitive Existentialism
      • early/small capitalism practiced as a mere contingent event without any ideology dictating that it be created is primitive Existentialism
      • primitive Existentialism is not synonymous with capitalism, and refers to the underlying small-scale conditions that emergently create and lead to capitalism on larger scales.
  • entropy Existentialism
    • there's no way to predict any of the free-floating minds!! - Rothenberg, Lacanianism
    • seemingly random motions of market will create invisible hand - right-Liberalism, primitive Existentialism
    • entropy Existentialism models appear to form as a rhetorical justification for primitive Existentialism
    • there's no predicting history!!! because I don't believe that history could mean material-history. - that russian history video, Sabine Hossenfelder, Rothenberg
    • global empires such as the British Empire and United states can do "good things" by stationing troops in the right places
      • one of the single most bullshit periods of Existentialism ever.
      • I think this goes in entropy Existentialism because it's almost always a matter of claiming that we can't prevent wars and they just have to happen and the United States just has to win them or go on its predetermined path to lose them.
  • morality Existentialism
    • religious "existentialism" about one person clearing their mind to improve all of society - Buddhist numbered bad-things, Christian ten commandments
    • all of our problems can be fixed by specialized Artisans choosing to apply their power to help people - Gramscianism, Voluntary Socialism / Stallman Libertarianism
      • Dragon Ball
      • Mike Masnick & Lawrence Lessig writing out rules for how to be a good business and somehow expecting anybody to follow them
    • corporations can improve the world by voluntarily donating their money - Stallman Libertarianism
  • free-choice Existentialism
    • the world is about maximizing individual Freedom through the unrestricted exercise of Free Will
    • our first axiom: Freedom and Free Will are even possible to define in the first place, rather than being nonsense.
      • early existentialism in the time of Sartre
    • the category of Existentialism that insists that you can rewrite situations you have no control over into situations you supposedly do have control over just by saying you individually will that you do not accept them.
    • individuals escaping from one local graph to another is justice - schizoanalysis
      • elsa. elsa is Existentialism too. she fixes everything by escaping.
  • hyper-Liberalism / fractal Liberalism
    • we must do everything we can to preserve plurality just because plurality is a necessary axiom and for almost no other reason - progressive anthropology, "sociology"
      • here plurality usually means arbitrary plurality of local culture, but it can occasionally mean philosophical plurality
    • exemplified by Deleuze attempting to create an epistemological method for breaking free of local bias and recognizing Difference, although the task is impossible - schizoanalysis
    • hyper-Liberalism may or may not derive from free-choice Existentialism, but it is still its own thing because every philosophy contains people who are racist and people who are against racism. Deleuzian efforts to recognize Difference definitely divide a philosophy into wings and create a new philosophical period.

[*QHW] Existential Physics: A Scientist's Guide to Life's Biggest Questions (Hossenfelder 2022).

[*GHF] The heart and the fist: The education of a humanitarian, the making of a Navy SEAL. Greitens, E. (2012). <isbnsearch.org/isbn/978-0-547-75038-5>

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