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<li class="field_nations" data-qid="36,79" value="3679" data-dimension="F2">[[Ontology:Q3679|Nobody is actually transgender]] | <li class="field_nations" data-qid="36,79" value="3679" data-dimension="F2">[[Ontology:Q3679|Nobody is actually transgender]] | ||
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<li class="field_exstruct field_LGBT" data-tradition="ES" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Transgender inner experiences deserve their own autonomous existence regardless of whether cis people understand that they exist or what the majority thinks / ([[User:RD/9k/Q39,69|9k]]) | |||
</li><li {{IS2/IV/class}} data-qid="36,74" value="3674">Defeat Stalin with gender identity / Gender identity is proletarian but it's Stalin that divides people / ([[User:RD/9k/Q36,74|9k]]) | |||
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</li><li {{IS2/Zv/class}} data-tradition="PT, Zv" data-qid="36,71" value="3671">Gender identity is a top-down trend -> this one is... interesting. people claiming to be "Socialists" brought it up. [https://freerlives.wordpress.com/overview/] but the thing is, a lot of things done in real-world workers' states {{em|have}} been top-down in this same limited sense of being decided on by experts, and yet gotten widespread support across places like China and Vietnam. so that's a funny thing to be saying if you're in fact a Marxist — are they anti-China Marxists? what Marxism are they?<br/> | </li><li {{IS2/Zv/class}} data-tradition="PT, Zv" data-qid="36,71" value="3671">Gender identity is a top-down trend -> this one is... interesting. people claiming to be "Socialists" brought it up. [https://freerlives.wordpress.com/overview/] but the thing is, a lot of things done in real-world workers' states {{em|have}} been top-down in this same limited sense of being decided on by experts, and yet gotten widespread support across places like China and Vietnam. so that's a funny thing to be saying if you're in fact a Marxist — are they anti-China Marxists? what Marxism are they?<br/> | ||
from a different angle, arguing that things are unfairly decided on by experts can be a Tory talking point. their reasons are usually different, having to do with the sheer conflict between two splitting nationalities trying to culturally control each other. but when Tories try to supposedly oppose capital they usually start converging with orange anarchists, empowering "indies" and "small and local" as supposedly creating better culture while essentially just attacking mass production and progress. it's always about culture, they're always playing the side of 'dark Gramscianism'. | from a different angle, arguing that things are unfairly decided on by experts can be a Tory talking point. their reasons are usually different, having to do with the sheer conflict between two splitting nationalities trying to culturally control each other. but when Tories try to supposedly oppose capital they usually start converging with orange anarchists, empowering "indies" and "small and local" as supposedly creating better culture while essentially just attacking mass production and progress. it's always about culture, they're always playing the side of 'dark Gramscianism'. | ||
</li><li class="field_anarchy" data-tradition="A" data="36,37" value="3637" data-dimension="S">anarchists believe in gender identity?? / can't believe anarchists believe in gender identity! / I've met some great anarchists, but I can't believe some of them are still gender ideology believers -> a prime cut of {{censor|bullshit|tts=[BS]}} found in the comments section of "Freer Lives", what is either a mainstream Marxist or uniquely toxic Western-Marxist blog. this is... a real insight into how some people think. there are really some people out there whose mind gears are turning in such a way that they can't imagine that trans rights could be part of anarchism or that anarchists could consider them a form of Freedom, what's usually their one favorite value.<br/> | |||
I've made this the charcoal swatch because if the "great anarchists" the commenter refers to really exist, there are transphobic anarchists who think that's not contradictory with anarchism, and that's just a fact.<br/> | |||
I think this probably empowered the rise of blue anarchism. anarchism loves individuals, but the risk that any particular individual is going to be excluded from anarchism will [[E:Human culture is inherently campist|push people back]] to believing in ""democracy"" and the notion of attempting to [[User:RD/9k/Q37,77|force a body of people]] (or entire other countries) to get better culture through The State. this effectively [[E:Meme selection exists but only applies to entire material group-objects, not ideas|selects out]] charcoal anarchists and ensures blue anarchism gets to smash them and paint them as "terrorists" or "extremists" against The Only, Mandatory Countable Culture. and after the charcoal anarchists are gone the blue ones can proceed to become falsely convinced that just because they have little agency and control within ""democracy"" and in their daily lives have to do everything themselves government doesn't even exist and they're actually already living in anarchy which is also a good thing. | |||
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<li | <li class="field_mdem" data-tradition="MX onto DX" value="618" data-dimension="S2">China is a top-down trend (statement that the People's Republic of China was founded by experts who figured out the correct way to put together a functional country before regular people would fill up the new republic, inexplicably said in the tone of a "gender critical" blog claiming that gender identity is engineered, but only in irony within the context of meta-Marxism) -> sometimes language makes me mad. but sometimes I love language because of the absolutely dumb ways you can phrase things.<br/> | ||
the point of this statement is that if you actually knew about the topic you'd know it's wrong for subtle reasons — exactly like with gender identity. and here's why: experts can sometimes show up with correct models. in this case because Materialism exists. as with gender... the explanation of how the experts know is a little harder. that has always frustrated me. that it's literally easier to explain the entire history of China than it is to explain gender. and yet that the impossible questions are the ones we have to argue about, not the possible ones. | |||
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Latest revision as of 08:55, 11 February 2026
Main entry[edit]
Related statements against[edit]
- Transgender inner experiences deserve their own autonomous existence regardless of whether cis people understand that they exist or what the majority thinks / (9k)
- Defeat Stalin with gender identity / Gender identity is proletarian but it's Stalin that divides people / (9k)
Related statements for[edit]
- Gender identity cannot be secular / Gender identity cannot possibly be secular / "You think a man magically changing into a woman is secular?" -> found in a comments section on a news story about parents opting out of LGBT+ lessons in school because they were supposedly "porn". (how would you expect them to have gotten into schools if that were true? these people have never seen fandoms and the absolutely gigantic controversies that LGBT+ people get into over a single mistagged tweet that wasn't for kids.)
- Gender identity is not intersectional [1]
- Gender identity is a top-down trend -> this one is... interesting. people claiming to be "Socialists" brought it up. [2] but the thing is, a lot of things done in real-world workers' states have been top-down in this same limited sense of being decided on by experts, and yet gotten widespread support across places like China and Vietnam. so that's a funny thing to be saying if you're in fact a Marxist — are they anti-China Marxists? what Marxism are they?
from a different angle, arguing that things are unfairly decided on by experts can be a Tory talking point. their reasons are usually different, having to do with the sheer conflict between two splitting nationalities trying to culturally control each other. but when Tories try to supposedly oppose capital they usually start converging with orange anarchists, empowering "indies" and "small and local" as supposedly creating better culture while essentially just attacking mass production and progress. it's always about culture, they're always playing the side of 'dark Gramscianism'. - anarchists believe in gender identity?? / can't believe anarchists believe in gender identity! / I've met some great anarchists, but I can't believe some of them are still gender ideology believers -> a prime cut of
found in the comments section of "Freer Lives", what is either a mainstream Marxist or uniquely toxic Western-Marxist blog. this is... a real insight into how some people think. there are really some people out there whose mind gears are turning in such a way that they can't imagine that trans rights could be part of anarchism or that anarchists could consider them a form of Freedom, what's usually their one favorite value.
I've made this the charcoal swatch because if the "great anarchists" the commenter refers to really exist, there are transphobic anarchists who think that's not contradictory with anarchism, and that's just a fact.
I think this probably empowered the rise of blue anarchism. anarchism loves individuals, but the risk that any particular individual is going to be excluded from anarchism will push people back to believing in ""democracy"" and the notion of attempting to force a body of people (or entire other countries) to get better culture through The State. this effectively selects out charcoal anarchists and ensures blue anarchism gets to smash them and paint them as "terrorists" or "extremists" against The Only, Mandatory Countable Culture. and after the charcoal anarchists are gone the blue ones can proceed to become falsely convinced that just because they have little agency and control within ""democracy"" and in their daily lives have to do everything themselves government doesn't even exist and they're actually already living in anarchy which is also a good thing.
Tangents[edit]
- China is a top-down trend (statement that the People's Republic of China was founded by experts who figured out the correct way to put together a functional country before regular people would fill up the new republic, inexplicably said in the tone of a "gender critical" blog claiming that gender identity is engineered, but only in irony within the context of meta-Marxism) -> sometimes language makes me mad. but sometimes I love language because of the absolutely dumb ways you can phrase things.
the point of this statement is that if you actually knew about the topic you'd know it's wrong for subtle reasons — exactly like with gender identity. and here's why: experts can sometimes show up with correct models. in this case because Materialism exists. as with gender... the explanation of how the experts know is a little harder. that has always frustrated me. that it's literally easier to explain the entire history of China than it is to explain gender. and yet that the impossible questions are the ones we have to argue about, not the possible ones.
Ideology codes[edit]
- PT / Toryism
- P4 / Identitarian fascism
- IV / Trotskyism