Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q33,89

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3389. 3389

      Anarchism can oppress people

      / When it is constructed in the real world, there exists a form of anarchist society which can oppress people ->
      

      anarchists think this couldn't possibly be true because they've cleverly defined anarchism to be everything which is not oppressive, but if you ask every Tory, the history of Communism already shows that any system which is built in reality can oppress people including anarchism. a whole lot of Tories are already convinced Communism and anarchism are the same thing, and that anarchists are bent on oppressing them. what is the reason this happens? why would there be so many people claiming this non-extraordinary, mundane claim of anarchist oppression if it was totally impossible?
      it isn't that because Tories are claiming something enough it must be correct. but, the thing is that most anarchists seemingly can't tell the difference between valid and invalid objections to a sociophilosophy or "culture". it's quite a common line among Existentialists and anarchists that if one individual or tiny group of people objects your entire country or party must be unacceptable. anarchists are super easily swayed to believe that Cuban or Vietnamese or Chinese diasporas are necessarily correct in their objections just because they left the country, or that if your Uyghur and you're upset about something you must be trustworthy because there could never be any reactionary Uyghurs on this planet that get angry at progress. anarchists will just go believing that if people don't like vaccine mandates, that must actually be oppressive, but somehow the exact same vaccine is qualitatively different if you provide incentives for doing it rather than punishments for not. (this really happened. it shouldn't have happened when the most common arguments you see against vaccines are that the actual vial of stuff is poison and the oppression is specifically that you have to use it at all. but anarchists somehow got people to take vaccines by getting the company that was requiring them to pay them money.) anarchists are really damn (pronounced redacted) obsessed with Freedom. so what happens when somebody accuses anarchism itself of being an imposition on Freedom, as a large number of people actually have? aren't they obligated to believe that anarchism can oppress Tories and they're required to find some magic way to change it so it will still be anarchism but then it won't?

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618. The value of science to a free society (Liberal republic or post-structuralist civilization) should be judged specifically by whether it is nice people or mean people that support science, and particularly whether it is more common for mean people or nice people to be against it; if a significant number of mean people support science then regardless of whether it is accurate to reality everyone must band together against it and get rid of it [1]
618. Science is not compatible with anarchism
5106. 5106

      Scientific thinking is a pathology

      / Scientific thinking is a disease symptom created by such conditions as autism and ADHD that make individuals unable to understand intuition and to solve social situations through individuals intuitively unifying onto the nicest and most friendship-like behaviors that become local culture rather than attempting to characterize patterns in societies sociologically
      

      Anti-racism education is an oxymoron + ?? = this

5107. 5107

      Being autistic is counter-revolutionary

      (anarchism) / Being born autistic is counter-revolutionary to anarchism because autistic people have a defect in performing Rhizome, but everyone performing Rhizome on the basis of cultures and lived experiences automatically going together in a strictly subjective space is more important than anything else including autistic people -> anarchism always believes it's incapable of making errors like the ones historical Marxist states made of funneling a demographic into the counter-revolutionary bucket because that demographic's actual movements were currently opposing the integrity of the country at that point in time. but I think that is the opposite of true. the insistence of both blue and charcoal anarchisms on forcing everyone to comprehend "prejudices" and "exclusion" solely on the basis of intuition, empathy, "lived experiences", syncretism, fractalizing freedom-of-religion down to individuals to create democulture, strategic association and exclusion, and the judgement of morality as both whatever makes majorities unhappy and whatever makes minorities unhappy in impossible simultaneity to the exclusion of logic, objectivity, internal coherence, mathematics, and science is definitely excluding some people based on physical characteristics they can't control.
5688. 5688

      anarchist orientalism

      / chauvinism to a socially-linked ring of anarchists treating them as True People while a large part of the Eastern Hemisphere is treated as inferior immoral people for not subscribing to anarchist models of reality such as the most obviously-identifiable transgression being the Dominating Limitation of Freedom, the actual physical division of a nationality into The People and The Oppressors being unacceptable unless the oppressors are Ideas, or defining society as not the sum of material objects but the sum of overlapping Lived Experiences / (9k)
5191. 5191Post-structuralist anarchists effectively hate China -> another proposition that's a bit of a troll but I do think it's true. post-structuralist anarchism is sometimes (apparently not always) defined as this sort of absolute-maxing-out of critical theory and the motif I dubbed "anarculture". this kind of anarchist believes both that we must purge everyone of all forms of culture and society that potentially contain biases and domination, and also that this is impossible so in a way we just have to stop trying. this may sound really stupid but practically, it still could lead to an anarchism if everybody basically just shuts off their brains and assembles into a society stochastically, in a very picky and mercurial way, purely based on their emotions and whatever they subjectively think is "freedom"; it's literally anti-Enlightenment and irrational, but not necessarily in a bad way because it at least makes sense mathematically. so, on with "trolling" anarchists. this kind of post-structuralist anarchist says that it isn't entirely possible to get rid of ideology, which I think is true; everyone sorting into red or orange or blue Social-Philosophical Systems is just going to happen. but they say that once you don't immediately participate in it it's okay to stop thinking about it. that logically means that you're still going to be part of an ideological faction whether you like it or not, and that faction as a whole material group of people can stochastically go brutalize other factions whether you like it or not, including destroying the governments of other countries and turning them into neocolonies. thus, assuming they do not live in China, post-structuralist anarchists effectively hate China.
      to be fair to anarchists: I am not adding a Z Item or ideology code for "post-structuralist anarchism" at this time because I know for sure I do not fully understand it. a motif Item? maybe; I have to collect these first impressions somewhere.

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