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Let's refer back to this "solid understanding of Leninism" you speak of |
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{{ | {{testimony|Bolshevik-Leninist Party of North America, 5th congress}}<br/> | ||
{{ | {{testimony|United Socialist States, 196X}} | ||
J: The Bolshevik-Leninist Party of North America is gathered here today to rule on whether Canada is Trotskyist. | J: The Bolshevik-Leninist Party of North America is gathered here today to rule on whether Canada is or is not Trotskyist. | ||
E: It is my opinion that Canada is most certainly Trotskyist. | E: It is my opinion that Canada is most certainly Trotskyist. | ||
E: Let's review four things it takes for a country to be Trotskyist.<br/> | E: Let's review four things it takes for a country to be Trotskyist.<br/> | ||
E: 1. Opposition to Stalinism. A party must not be in support of Stalinist countries.<br/> | E: {{testimony|1. Opposition to Stalinism. A party must not be in support of Stalinist countries.}}<br/> | ||
E: 2. Opposition to bureaucracy. A party must guard against bureaucratic takeover.<br/> | E: {{testimony|2. Opposition to bureaucracy. A party must guard against bureaucratic takeover.}}<br/> | ||
E: 3. Solid understanding of Leninism. A party must lead its workers to a good understanding of vanguard parties.<br/> | E: {{testimony|3. Solid understanding of Leninism. A party must lead its workers to a good understanding of vanguard parties.}}<br/> | ||
E: 4. Socialist transition— | E: {{testimony|4. Socialist transition—}} | ||
P: {{i|[Objection!]}}<br/> | P: {{i|[Objection!]}}<br/> | ||
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P: Let's refer back to this "solid understanding of Leninism" you speak of. | P: Let's refer back to this "solid understanding of Leninism" you speak of. | ||
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P: What stops a Leninist party from being taken over by bureaucrats? | |||
E: A proper Materialist analysis. | |||
P: A proper Materialist analysis of what?<br/> | |||
P: And don't you go saying "material conditions". | |||
E: A proper Materialist analysis of all the currently-relevant tasks inside society.<br/> | |||
E: Such as: {{testimony|replacing individual experts with newly-created collective enterprises.}} | |||
E: So, as you can see, the workers' representatives have to actually do something once they're elected. | |||
E: It's not a matter of "fill the country with workers and you're done". | |||
P: (There is something very wrong with his Leninism and I am going to find it.) | |||
P: {{stage|[points]}} What do you consider to be opposition to Stalinism? | |||
E: <del>Opposition to Stalinism is when you defend your people's interests and don't sell out to Stalinist countries.</del> In the U.S.S.A., or in Canada? | |||
P: {{i|[Objection!]}}<br/> | |||
P: Why would that be relevant? | |||
E: | E: I'm sure you've heard of country characteristics, Comrade Wright. | ||
P: {{ | P: Country characteristics have nothing to do with this. | ||
P: {{stage|[slam]}} I asked you what distinguishes a Stalinist Canada from a Trotskyist Canada. | |||
E: | E: Well, surely, part of it would be correctly understanding country characteristics. | ||
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E: So, as you can see, Canada is in fact Trotskyist, despite what people say. | |||
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E: Well then... If Canada's party isn't Trotskyist, then what is it? | E: Well then... If Canada's party isn't Trotskyist, then what is it? | ||
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P: Cannonism. Schizoanalysis. BlackPantherism. Maoism. Libertarians. Indigenous movements. Trotskyite nationalism...<br/> | P: Cannonism. Schizoanalysis. BlackPantherism. Maoism. Libertarians. Indigenous movements. Trotskyite nationalism...<br/> | ||
P: Canada is an instance of Trotskyite nationalism! | P: Canada is an instance of Trotskyite nationalism! | ||
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P: {{i|[Hold it!]}}<br/> | |||
P: If the "Trotskyists" in Canada are real Trotskyists, then why aren't they trying to undermine Canada?! | |||
E: ... | |||
P: Trotskyism is an international movement. No party that attempts to constrain the revolution to one country can possibly be a Trotskyist movement. | |||
[unfinished] | [unfinished] | ||
Latest revision as of 10:39, 29 April 2026
Bolshevik-Leninist Party of North America, 5th congress
United Socialist States, 196X
J: The Bolshevik-Leninist Party of North America is gathered here today to rule on whether Canada is or is not Trotskyist.
E: It is my opinion that Canada is most certainly Trotskyist.
E: Let's review four things it takes for a country to be Trotskyist.
E: 1. Opposition to Stalinism. A party must not be in support of Stalinist countries.
E: 2. Opposition to bureaucracy. A party must guard against bureaucratic takeover.
E: 3. Solid understanding of Leninism. A party must lead its workers to a good understanding of vanguard parties.
E: 4. Socialist transition—
P: [Objection!]
P: In all the points you present about countries being Trotskyist, every one of them is about parties.
P: Where are the points about workers?!
E: Every one of those points is about workers.
E: The purpose of a party is to collect workers' representatives, and when the party makes decisions, all the people making those decisions will have been sent by the workers.
P: No.
P: Let's refer back to this "solid understanding of Leninism" you speak of.
E: ...
P: What stops a Leninist party from being taken over by bureaucrats?
E: A proper Materialist analysis.
P: A proper Materialist analysis of what?
P: And don't you go saying "material conditions".
E: A proper Materialist analysis of all the currently-relevant tasks inside society.
E: Such as: replacing individual experts with newly-created collective enterprises.
E: So, as you can see, the workers' representatives have to actually do something once they're elected. E: It's not a matter of "fill the country with workers and you're done".
P: (There is something very wrong with his Leninism and I am going to find it.)
P: [points] What do you consider to be opposition to Stalinism?
E: Opposition to Stalinism is when you defend your people's interests and don't sell out to Stalinist countries. In the U.S.S.A., or in Canada?
P: [Objection!]
P: Why would that be relevant?
E: I'm sure you've heard of country characteristics, Comrade Wright.
P: Country characteristics have nothing to do with this. P: [slam] I asked you what distinguishes a Stalinist Canada from a Trotskyist Canada.
E: Well, surely, part of it would be correctly understanding country characteristics.
E: So, as you can see, Canada is in fact Trotskyist, despite what people say.
E: Well then... If Canada's party isn't Trotskyist, then what is it?
P: Uh...
M: Think. How many major tendencies are there in North America?
P: About six or seven.
P: Cannonism. Schizoanalysis. BlackPantherism. Maoism. Libertarians. Indigenous movements. Trotskyite nationalism...
P: Canada is an instance of Trotskyite nationalism!
P: [Hold it!]
P: If the "Trotskyists" in Canada are real Trotskyists, then why aren't they trying to undermine Canada?!
E: ...
P: Trotskyism is an international movement. No party that attempts to constrain the revolution to one country can possibly be a Trotskyist movement.
[unfinished]