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{{li|I=F2/ES|tradition=|Q=618}}You can be an anti-imperialist without being a Marxist -> sort of, but no. on a 5-year time scale yes, on a 30-year time scale no. truth value: misleading. | {{li|I=F2/ES|tradition=|Q=618}}You can be an anti-imperialist without being a Marxist -> sort of, but no. on a 5-year time scale yes, on a 30-year time scale no. truth value: misleading. | ||
{{li|I=S2/MX|tradition=|Q=618}}All anti-imperialism which doesn't contain Marxism eventually helps the United States -> my reference point is the Vietnam War. there was quite an explosion of non-Marxist anti-war demonstrations. but then when the campaign donor layer got to it it all culminated in this dude who believed in turning the war into a psychology problem founding the DSA and fueling this really big push everywhere for pro-capitalist replacements for Marxist theory that made universities utterly insufferable. | {{li|I=S2/MX|Q=618|Q2=618}}U.S. antiwar movements have always been Idealist / ({{9k|RD/Q61,20}}) | ||
{{li|I=S2/MX|tradition=|Q=618}}All anti-imperialism which doesn't contain Marxism eventually helps the United States -> my reference point is the Vietnam War. there was quite an explosion of non-Marxist anti-war demonstrations. but then when the campaign donor layer got to it it all culminated in [[E:Michael Harrington founded the DSA|this dude who believed in turning the war into a psychology problem founding the DSA]] and fueling this really big push everywhere for pro-capitalist replacements for Marxist theory that made universities utterly insufferable. | |||
{{li|I=M3/ML|Q=618}}Why are veterans better than ICE? (United States) / Why do United States people want to rehabilitate veterans but punish ICE? {{YouTube|_Q0TxCCuXyU}} -> okay, that's a good question.<br/> | |||
I think, speaking materially and not ethically, it has to do with which groups of people U.S. people believe that U.S. law applies to. if you believe in Kantianism you need a body of people to legislate onto to hold anybody responsible for (un)ethical behavior. so, people scramble to define who "Americans" are to determine whether government should be rehabilitating them were that a possibility. I think there is a bias toward rehabilitating veterans {{em|just because there is some chance they might vote Democrat}}, while due to their behavior people have a bias toward labeling Republican voters as foreigners. this isn't {{em|just}} stupidity (even if there may be a bit of that too). at some point Liberal-republican parties stop being arbitrary and start turning into entirely separate nationalities that actually don't consent to being governed by each other; the increasing perception of Republicans as "not Americans" and of ICE as a uniquely foreign army stems from actual observed behavior of Republicans slowly attempting to secede from the sovereign realm of Democrat laws, and of the increasing futility of properly governing them. | |||
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Latest revision as of 08:12, 27 June 2026
Main entry
- BadEmpanada's theoretical errors -> this is a bizarrely specific entry, but I have my cumulative reasons for adding it.
A) B.E.'s videos are easily findable and very 'attested'. not a strict requirement for every new entry but helps a lot in creating a "higher tier" article. B) B.E. is one of the only video creators I can stand to listen to and haven't unsubscribed from. (which says a lot about every Marxist video channel. I exempt Trotskyist groups from that but hardly anyone else.) C) B.E. is always levelheaded about criticisms aimed at him and would never be expected to see them and start "drama" about them per se. I'm not afraid to just drop his name here. D) B.E. speaks quickly and sets down a lot of strange opinions. I wouldn't even say all of his "strange opinions" are wrong, although I strongly suspect a few of them are.
Anti-imperialism
- You can be an anti-imperialist without being a Marxist -> sort of, but no. on a 5-year time scale yes, on a 30-year time scale no. truth value: misleading.
- U.S. antiwar movements have always been Idealist / (9k)
- All anti-imperialism which doesn't contain Marxism eventually helps the United States -> my reference point is the Vietnam War. there was quite an explosion of non-Marxist anti-war demonstrations. but then when the campaign donor layer got to it it all culminated in this dude who believed in turning the war into a psychology problem founding the DSA and fueling this really big push everywhere for pro-capitalist replacements for Marxist theory that made universities utterly insufferable.
- Why are veterans better than ICE? (United States) / Why do United States people want to rehabilitate veterans but punish ICE? [1] -> okay, that's a good question.
I think, speaking materially and not ethically, it has to do with which groups of people U.S. people believe that U.S. law applies to. if you believe in Kantianism you need a body of people to legislate onto to hold anybody responsible for (un)ethical behavior. so, people scramble to define who "Americans" are to determine whether government should be rehabilitating them were that a possibility. I think there is a bias toward rehabilitating veterans just because there is some chance they might vote Democrat, while due to their behavior people have a bias toward labeling Republican voters as foreigners. this isn't just stupidity (even if there may be a bit of that too). at some point Liberal-republican parties stop being arbitrary and start turning into entirely separate nationalities that actually don't consent to being governed by each other; the increasing perception of Republicans as "not Americans" and of ICE as a uniquely foreign army stems from actual observed behavior of Republicans slowly attempting to secede from the sovereign realm of Democrat laws, and of the increasing futility of properly governing them.
LLMs
- AI datacenters taking over towns is an unimportant issue [2] -> the problem with this is. well. see the next proposition. and whenever that happens it builds up chunks of unaccountable people, consolidates United States empire, and empowers it to brutalize other countries. you're supporting anti-Zionism with one hand and undoing it with the other hand.
- Trinidad water incident / A Texas woman was arrested for "false alarm" when the town's water turned sewage-brown; she was charged with a serious crime but the charges were dropped; she is filing a lawsuit [3] [4] [5] / Trinidad arrested a protestor outside the water clerk's office for disrupting the water clerk's office; when the water clerk and judge did not agree with the charges, they were fired [6] -> to be fair I can't find evidence this happened because of datacenters. but it does show exactly and precisely what would happen if you complained about data centers polluting your water
- "Ethical" AI is unethical -> so, some people like BadEmpanada really do not understand the structure of the discourse around LLMs. there was a period where it was all about ""stealing content"", until the day where somebody built an "ethically-sourced AI", and the moment that happens, capitalists start exploiting anti-essentialism to try to get everyone to think that the moment a tiny fraction of something is ethical the entire thing is. so the entire discourse had to shift to proving that all LLMs were unethical because they were LLMs and not because of what they were used for, and this is where the data center talking point originated. it was an attempt to unify people around an issue that could easily get divisive by finding a point that was harder to refute.
but, of course, it still has the inherent problem that basically all theories of ethics rely on eternal truths that don't exist. it is meaningless to argue over whether something is ethical if the people who would be harmed by it aren't strong enough to fight against it and will always be crushed, because once the powerful win they institute their own unbudgeable eternal truths. we've learned that lesson the hard way with oil companies and climate conferences, and all the wars that still happen over oil where still nobody is managing to persuade people to stop them just because of ethics.
Related
- Palestine conflict (1917-) / (9k) -> the primary topic of BE's channel, although actually not the only one.
Ideologies or fields
- / anti-Zionism
- / meta-Marxism
- BadEmpanadaMaskOff - nickel link