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== Ontology page ==
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== Main entry ==
== Main entry ==
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<li class="field_exstruct" value="73" data-dimension="Z">[[Ontology:Q73|Existentialist-Structuralist tradition]] / Existentialism (abbreviation)  ->  note, early-existentialism is already Q42
<li class="field_exstruct" value="73" data-dimension="Z">[[Ontology:Q73|Existentialist-Structuralist tradition]] / Existentialism (abbreviation)  ->  note, early-existentialism is already Q42
</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="73" data-dimension="Z">Existentialist-Structuralist tradition / political agorism (?)


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== Potential members ==
== Potential members ==
 
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</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="72" data-dimension="Z">phenomenology / Husserl's phenomenology (Existentialism)
</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="72" data-dimension="Z">phenomenology / Husserl's phenomenology (Existentialism)
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</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="76" data-dimension="Z">psychoanalysis / Freudian psychoanalysis (generic) / Lacanian psychoanalysis (generic)
</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="76" data-dimension="Z">psychoanalysis / Freudian psychoanalysis (generic) / Lacanian psychoanalysis (generic)
</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="77" data-dimension="Z">schizoanalysis
</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="77" data-dimension="Z">schizoanalysis
</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="78" data-dimension="Z">alterity theories / postcolonial theories (theories about how colonialism is a prejudice about a group of people in someone's mind)
</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="78" data-dimension="S">alterity theories / postcolonial theories (theories about how colonialism is a prejudice about a group of people in someone's mind)
</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="79" data-dimension="Z">post-Marxism
</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="79" data-dimension="Z">post-Marxism
{{li|I=S1/Ag|tradition=Ag, ES|Q=618}}agorism  ->  this is.... possibly the most cohesive bit of material logic connecting all the other things here without introducing an "outside" philosophy to explain them. I feel like in making this list or various other versions of it I have maybe actually been describing "political agorism"
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== Common motifs or claims ==
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{{li|start=y|I=S2/ES|tradition=LR, ES|Q=618}}Revolutions are a thing of the past {{YouTube|bKq-iip4LXs}}  ->  look closely and you'll see this is a rather uniquely anarchist idea. Bellegarrigue says this while completely bashing Liberal-republicanism for being a countable government instead of some kind of globally uncountable lack of government
{{li|I=S2/LR|tradition=|Q=618}}Society surely cannot change more than it did in the creation of Liberal-republicanism {{YouTube|LVq6GzfyGqI}}  ->  that is really one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, like almost literally the very stupidest thing you could say. you know why? if this is really true then there's literally no point in having democracy. the only way democracy maintains any hold over people is the promise that it can supposedly bring significant changes to society. Bernstein and Pablo and the Mensheviks [[E:Menshevism as Idealist economics|actually understood that much]]! but if society actually isn't going to change any more, then there's no incentive to vote or believe in Liberal-republican parties and every incentive to discard government and attempt to create anarchism. of course, if you do that, people will flow around every which way and it will be impossible for society to attempt to regulate violence, and paradoxically, a battle between medium-sized businesses and billionaires will almost certainly happen. the moment society is unable to change any more is actually the moment it's most likely to change drastically. so trying to say it's hard to change society any more is the last thing you should be saying if you want to preserve Liberal-republicanism.
{{li|I=S1/ES|tradition=|Q=618}}methodological individualism
{{li|I=S1/ES|tradition=ES, LR, Aa|Q=618}}"tacit knowledge" as euphemism for intuition [https://psyche.co/ideas/your-life-is-not-a-story-why-narrative-thinking-holds-you-back] / tacit knowledge (Existentialism)  ->  I swear right-Liberals use this word to launder non-supernatural superstition about the economy, linguists use versions of it to launder non-supernatural superstitions about meaning, reference, and learning that ultimately led to people thinking building artificial intuition into large language models was the only way to get better at modeling knowledge, and psychology and psychiatry are also misusing it somehow.<br/>
tacit knowledge (Existentialism) + ?? = unsupervised machine learning. tacit knowledge (Existentialism) + ?? = large language model.


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== Related ==
== Related ==
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<li class="field_exstruct" data-remark="one basic precursor to E-S trad" value="70" data-dimension="Z">analytic philosophy
<li class="field_exstruct" data-remark="one basic precursor to E-S trad" value="70" data-dimension="Z">analytic philosophy
</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="71" data-dimension="S0">field of study diagramming signs and signifiers / semiotics (generic) / structuralist linguistics (generic) / meta-ontology (generic)
</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="71" data-dimension="S0">field of study diagramming signs and signifiers / semiotics (generic) / structuralist linguistics (generic) / meta-ontology (generic)
{{li|I=S1/ES/ML|Q=618}}the eclectic gruel of philosophy / the pauper's broth of eclecticism which is ladled out in the universities under the name of philosophy (Engels) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1886/ludwig-feuerbach/ch01.htm]  ->  there are some descriptions where you see them and you just know, I've seen this, this is ridiculously relatable across time periods. I haven't read these specific philosophies and yet just by that description I feel like I already have.


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== Ideology codes ==
== Ideology codes ==


* (none)
* ES / Existentialist-Structuralist tradition
* ES / bourgeois philosophies





Latest revision as of 08:03, 29 June 2026

Main entry

  1. Existentialist-Structuralist tradition / Existentialism (abbreviation) -> note, early-existentialism is already Q42
  2. Existentialist-Structuralist tradition / political agorism (?)

Potential members

  1. phenomenology / Husserl's phenomenology (Existentialism)
  2. structuralist linguistics / structuralism (linguistics)
  3. poststructuralism
  4. existentialism / early existentialism / existence-philosophy / Existenzphilosophie / existentialist tradition
  5. psychoanalysis / Freudian psychoanalysis (generic) / Lacanian psychoanalysis (generic)
  6. schizoanalysis
  7. alterity theories / postcolonial theories (theories about how colonialism is a prejudice about a group of people in someone's mind)
  8. post-Marxism
  9. agorism -> this is.... possibly the most cohesive bit of material logic connecting all the other things here without introducing an "outside" philosophy to explain them. I feel like in making this list or various other versions of it I have maybe actually been describing "political agorism"

Common motifs or claims

  1. Revolutions are a thing of the past [1] -> look closely and you'll see this is a rather uniquely anarchist idea. Bellegarrigue says this while completely bashing Liberal-republicanism for being a countable government instead of some kind of globally uncountable lack of government
  2. Society surely cannot change more than it did in the creation of Liberal-republicanism [2] -> that is really one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, like almost literally the very stupidest thing you could say. you know why? if this is really true then there's literally no point in having democracy. the only way democracy maintains any hold over people is the promise that it can supposedly bring significant changes to society. Bernstein and Pablo and the Mensheviks actually understood that much! but if society actually isn't going to change any more, then there's no incentive to vote or believe in Liberal-republican parties and every incentive to discard government and attempt to create anarchism. of course, if you do that, people will flow around every which way and it will be impossible for society to attempt to regulate violence, and paradoxically, a battle between medium-sized businesses and billionaires will almost certainly happen. the moment society is unable to change any more is actually the moment it's most likely to change drastically. so trying to say it's hard to change society any more is the last thing you should be saying if you want to preserve Liberal-republicanism.
  3. methodological individualism
  4. "tacit knowledge" as euphemism for intuition [3] / tacit knowledge (Existentialism) -> I swear right-Liberals use this word to launder non-supernatural superstition about the economy, linguists use versions of it to launder non-supernatural superstitions about meaning, reference, and learning that ultimately led to people thinking building artificial intuition into large language models was the only way to get better at modeling knowledge, and psychology and psychiatry are also misusing it somehow.
    tacit knowledge (Existentialism) + ?? = unsupervised machine learning. tacit knowledge (Existentialism) + ?? = large language model.

Related

  1. analytic philosophy
  2. field of study diagramming signs and signifiers / semiotics (generic) / structuralist linguistics (generic) / meta-ontology (generic)
  3. the eclectic gruel of philosophy / the pauper's broth of eclecticism which is ladled out in the universities under the name of philosophy (Engels) [4] -> there are some descriptions where you see them and you just know, I've seen this, this is ridiculously relatable across time periods. I haven't read these specific philosophies and yet just by that description I feel like I already have.

Ideology codes

  • ES / Existentialist-Structuralist tradition
  • ES / bourgeois philosophies