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{{li|I=S1/ES|tradition=ES, W|Q=31,30|Q2=3130}}representation in media / rep (abbreviation; Existentialist philosophies, anarchism, civil rights movements) / Representation in Media (Signifier Case; meta-Marxism) / Media Representation (Signifier Case; meta-Marxism) | |||
{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=31,30|Q2=3130}}representation in media / coding (metaphorical representation of a real phenomenon in the arts) / queercoding (generic) / autistic coding (generic) / neurodivergent coding (generic) | |||
{{li|I=S1/ES|class=field_exstruct field_LGBT|Q=31,30|Q2=3130}}representation in media / queercoding (generic) | |||
{{li|I=S1/PT|Q=31,30|Q2=3130}}representation in media / tokenization (arts; generic) -> this would be a separate sense label, it is absolutely not the main meaning of this Item | |||
{{li|I=S1/W|Q=31,30|Q2=3130}}representation in media (Western Marxism; Gramscianism) | |||
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== | == Coding == | ||
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{{li|I=S1/Fy|class=field_fantasy field_LGBT|Q=39,70|Q2=3970}}male rivalries and gay subtext (fiction) / two male rival characters fixating on each other has gay subtext -> one of those things that's often not intended to be true but then based on evidence that piles up becomes confusing and hard to ignore. it's one of those cases of accidental representation, where the author doesn't think something is possible and then accidentally depicts it. | |||
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== Is it effective? == | |||
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{{li|start=y|I=S1/ES/PT|Q=31,38|Q2=3138}}Media Representation on Sky News / hello Sky News, I'm so glad I got my colostomy bag [https://news.sky.com/story/i-would-rather-have-died-how-getting-a-stoma-bag-changed-my-life-and-broke-the-stigma-12080366] -> I just found an article on notorious Tory news outlet Sky News that was exactly in the shape of an Existentialist or Gramscian call for Media Representation. obviously there's nothing wrong with a visibility effort for stoma bags. a little unusual, but sure, getting unusual problems out there is the point isn't it. the one thing that baffles me is seeing this kind of thing on Sky News. I'm guessing it got there because it sounds like an old people problem?? it's often old people watching these things, so maybe they think any medical problem sounds enough like their own problems to not be upsetting to them. that isn't a joke; I just genuinely don't know what's a good guess. | |||
{{li|I=F2/ES|Q=30,59|Q2=3059}}Art is a substitute for world history textbooks / Only the arts can teach us about lived experiences, so only the arts can teach us about demographic identities -> incredibly common claim I even found in a Liberal-republican economics text, but seems to fail a whole lot in practice. Undertale and Deltarune caused people to misgender nonbinary people, Warriors caused people to bash Native Americans for "bad worldbuilding". people think Media Representation will teach people empathy, but in practice you have to hand them a textbook on the demographic identity to get them to understand what they're doing wrong. this + Warriors = medicine men don't exist. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LqRxcu4nbM] this + Deltarune = misgendering Kris. this + Pokémon = never heard of France before. this + Kirby = Spongebob is sexless | |||
{{li|I=S2/MX|Q=31,39|Q2=3139}}Printing books won't educate people / Production won't educate people / Producing more books cannot educate people (implied "usually"; comics, shows, games, etc; discrete product available for price or advertisement revenue; anti-Gramscian proposition) -> the claim that in every case, people receive better education if you can get something out of existing resources made as many as ten years ago than if you require new resources to be made. "we have wealth, the big problem is we haven't distributed it" correct. and one thing that means is that people need to be taught to use old books rather than buy new ones. printing more books just to put minority representation in them is meaningless, depending on the subject of the books and whether they deal with very serious non-fictional history or plans to create movements.<br /> | |||
I allow that this proposition could be false. there is some potential that, say, if there were [[E:United Socialist States|the five Communist parties of the USS]] and they actually decided to defund Media Representation produced in their parties versus distributing books and teaching people to use them it would deal a heavy enough blow to the process of assembling marginalized workers together into their own movements that join into the big movement that it wouldn't be worth it. there could be a real contradiction there that could falsify this proposition depending on exactly what we specify the proposition to apply to. to me, when I'm typing this, I think it applies to areas of the US that aren't major cities. I am not sure what times it does and doesn't apply to the Third World. I think the times it applies are rather structural, it applies to specific kinds of towns more than broad historical periods of a whole country. | |||
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== Related == | |||
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== Ideologies == | == Ideologies == | ||
* HAS / arts | |||
* ES / Existentialist-Structuralist tradition | * ES / Existentialist-Structuralist tradition | ||
* HM / critical theory | * HM / critical theory | ||
* W / Western Marxism | * W / Western Marxism | ||
* W / Gramscianism | * W / Gramscianism | ||
* LGBT / LGBT+ history | |||
== Full title for bookmarks (optional) == | |||
<pre>Media Representation - 9k/Q31,30 - next nine thousand ; coding, tokenization</pre> | |||
Latest revision as of 13:16, 30 July 2026
Main entry
- representation in media / rep (abbreviation; Existentialist philosophies, anarchism, civil rights movements) / Representation in Media (Signifier Case; meta-Marxism) / Media Representation (Signifier Case; meta-Marxism)
- representation in media / coding (metaphorical representation of a real phenomenon in the arts) / queercoding (generic) / autistic coding (generic) / neurodivergent coding (generic)
- representation in media / queercoding (generic)
- representation in media / tokenization (arts; generic) -> this would be a separate sense label, it is absolutely not the main meaning of this Item
- representation in media (Western Marxism; Gramscianism)
Coding
- male rivalries and gay subtext (fiction) / two male rival characters fixating on each other has gay subtext -> one of those things that's often not intended to be true but then based on evidence that piles up becomes confusing and hard to ignore. it's one of those cases of accidental representation, where the author doesn't think something is possible and then accidentally depicts it.
Is it effective?
- Media Representation on Sky News / hello Sky News, I'm so glad I got my colostomy bag [1] -> I just found an article on notorious Tory news outlet Sky News that was exactly in the shape of an Existentialist or Gramscian call for Media Representation. obviously there's nothing wrong with a visibility effort for stoma bags. a little unusual, but sure, getting unusual problems out there is the point isn't it. the one thing that baffles me is seeing this kind of thing on Sky News. I'm guessing it got there because it sounds like an old people problem?? it's often old people watching these things, so maybe they think any medical problem sounds enough like their own problems to not be upsetting to them. that isn't a joke; I just genuinely don't know what's a good guess.
- Art is a substitute for world history textbooks / Only the arts can teach us about lived experiences, so only the arts can teach us about demographic identities -> incredibly common claim I even found in a Liberal-republican economics text, but seems to fail a whole lot in practice. Undertale and Deltarune caused people to misgender nonbinary people, Warriors caused people to bash Native Americans for "bad worldbuilding". people think Media Representation will teach people empathy, but in practice you have to hand them a textbook on the demographic identity to get them to understand what they're doing wrong. this + Warriors = medicine men don't exist. [2] this + Deltarune = misgendering Kris. this + Pokémon = never heard of France before. this + Kirby = Spongebob is sexless
- Printing books won't educate people / Production won't educate people / Producing more books cannot educate people (implied "usually"; comics, shows, games, etc; discrete product available for price or advertisement revenue; anti-Gramscian proposition) -> the claim that in every case, people receive better education if you can get something out of existing resources made as many as ten years ago than if you require new resources to be made. "we have wealth, the big problem is we haven't distributed it" correct. and one thing that means is that people need to be taught to use old books rather than buy new ones. printing more books just to put minority representation in them is meaningless, depending on the subject of the books and whether they deal with very serious non-fictional history or plans to create movements.
I allow that this proposition could be false. there is some potential that, say, if there were the five Communist parties of the USS and they actually decided to defund Media Representation produced in their parties versus distributing books and teaching people to use them it would deal a heavy enough blow to the process of assembling marginalized workers together into their own movements that join into the big movement that it wouldn't be worth it. there could be a real contradiction there that could falsify this proposition depending on exactly what we specify the proposition to apply to. to me, when I'm typing this, I think it applies to areas of the US that aren't major cities. I am not sure what times it does and doesn't apply to the Third World. I think the times it applies are rather structural, it applies to specific kinds of towns more than broad historical periods of a whole country.
Related
Ideologies
- HAS / arts
- ES / Existentialist-Structuralist tradition
- HM / critical theory
- W / Western Marxism
- W / Gramscianism
- LGBT / LGBT+ history
Full title for bookmarks (optional)
Media Representation - 9k/Q31,30 - next nine thousand ; coding, tokenization