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Trotsky tries using what he thinks is a forward spell<br/> | |||
he bursts into flames and turns into a pile of ash<br/> | |||
various Trotskyist theorists are scrambling around trying to figure out what to do, if they should look for some way to revive him or not. some think it would empower and complete the Fourth International, some think it's the kind of thing Stalin would believe in which is unfair and would unbalance it. they can't come to a consensus<br/> | |||
then Jackson shows up<br/> | |||
and says, "no, I want you to revive him, because I need a rival that's worthy of my power"<br/> | |||
the Fourth International theorists all look at each other and are finally like, huh, okay, I guess we'll do it then.<br/> | |||
various people from the Fourth International throw together a pile of names that are handed to the remaining relatives, and Jackson leads them through the ritual to rebuild Lionspark, creating a Trotsky clone that has all of his potential as a Marxist theorist / alchemy user / Advance Form but is a new individual. when he is generated he is physically the same age as Jackson.<br/> | |||
after looking through all the name suggestions, they name the new heir of Trotskyism "{{TTS|lang=gl|Xaguar}}" ({{TTS|lang=en|jaguar}}), a suggestion from European migrants to Mexico. <ref name="x"/> | |||
I love this on a symbolic level because on the surface it's funny to see this very "anime" trope you'd think is unrealistic smash into scenarios from Communist history, <ref name="db"/> but below the surface, it's actually an interesting reflection of the concept of ages of world history in the real world and how at a certain point both Stalin's Marxism and Trotskyism have to reinvent themselves from the beginning to be of any use in the new post-1991 age.<br/> | |||
... an age where both Stalin's Marxism and Trotskyism have to abandon all their previous assumptions and start over from only what they observe and what models they observe actually fitting real history and predicting {{em|each other}} — a new age where [[E:Q92|meta-Marxism]] replaces the Marxisms of old but allows them to reconstruct each other. ... <ref name="c"/> | |||
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<ref name="x">pronounced {{TTS|lang=gl|[ʃɑˈɣ̞waɾ]|title=Galician; "shag-Wahr"}}. in-universe many English speakers end up mispronouncing it as {{TTS|lang=es|[xaˈɣ̞waɾ]|title=Spanish; "hag-Wahr"}}, thinking of the x in {{TTS|lang=es|Mexico}}. but it actually comes from Galician, a Portuguese-like regional language. {{a|href=https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/xaguar#Galician}} {{a|href=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician_language|rem-1=https://www.geocountries.com/language/galician}}</ref> | |||
I love this on a symbolic level because on the surface it's funny to see this very "anime" trope you'd think is unrealistic smash into scenarios from Communist history, but below the surface, it's actually an interesting reflection of the concept of ages of world history and how at a certain point both Stalin's Marxism and Trotskyism have to reinvent themselves from the beginning to be of any use in the new post-1991 age. | |||
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<ref name="db">gosh I'm trying to think of where this idea came from in my mind and I think my reference is {{cite|Dragon Ball}} and Goku finishing his battles and letting the various evil kings come back to life, all because he gets his ability to do good starting from his sheer power and doesn't know what being good actually is. here I think the context is different. Jackson actually has reason to support other variations of Marxism existing as "the rational thing to do", because historically Stalin's Marxism has never had all the answers to its own core questions, and even listening to Maoism or Che Guevara's Marxism will bring some kind of improvement when they all work together. ...<br/> | |||
I | Jackson sees the value in trying to lift Trotskyists up in that they are the closest to being his allies and he can have more "friends", but he also has high expectations. ... the original Stalin was snarky, but this one is too nice and makes you afraid you're an insufficient version of {{em|yourself}}. he's the Stalin of the demographically-bourgeois Existentialist age we're experiencing in real life; he's more palatable to political-agorist types in that he torments people into horrible spirals of depression and death in exactly the way they do. love and compassion are his weapons and he can use them to commit murder.</ref> | ||
<ref name="c">hmm. are they like real-world clones? ... I don't really know. I want to say the neo-nazis got super disgustingly obsessed with finding the purest genome sample to the point they actually did a decent job at creating Jackson more or less free of genome damage. hypothetically if you have enough cells with the same genome in them you could put the genomes together and 'remaster' them into a consensus genome ... the more cells you had to work with, the more you would simply see the same sequences come up over and over again and the mutations become infrequent in comparison. ... so what I imagine is the neo-nazis obsessively making sure they have as many cells as possible to put into the shining witch-fire and it's like, {{i|hey we found another sample, oh wonderful, there may only be a little bit of the sequence in that one but we need it anyway.}} they look totally crazy from the outside, like this is classic black magic, this is pagan superstition, but somehow it works.<br/> | |||
Jackson appropriates the Duginists' dark arts that were once going to be used to oppress him for his own purposes, allowing him to create another nearly impeccable copy of someone's genome. surprising everyone when nobody expected that out of a "Stalinist" on a moral level, or out of anyone period in terms of ability.<br/> | |||
thus, against all odds, the nazi obsession with DNA finally did something good for the world for the first and last time. but it only became possible because Marxists hijacked what nazis were doing and applied the classic Marxist principle of reinterpreting things (British India, globalization, republics, capitalist corporations, etc.) in terms of their consequences rather than their original intentions.</ref> | |||
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Trotsky tries using what he thinks is a forward spell
he bursts into flames and turns into a pile of ash
various Trotskyist theorists are scrambling around trying to figure out what to do, if they should look for some way to revive him or not. some think it would empower and complete the Fourth International, some think it's the kind of thing Stalin would believe in which is unfair and would unbalance it. they can't come to a consensus
then Jackson shows up
and says, "no, I want you to revive him, because I need a rival that's worthy of my power"
the Fourth International theorists all look at each other and are finally like, huh, okay, I guess we'll do it then.
various people from the Fourth International throw together a pile of names that are handed to the remaining relatives, and Jackson leads them through the ritual to rebuild Lionspark, creating a Trotsky clone that has all of his potential as a Marxist theorist / alchemy user / Advance Form but is a new individual. when he is generated he is physically the same age as Jackson.
after looking through all the name suggestions, they name the new heir of Trotskyism "Xaguar" (jaguar), a suggestion from European migrants to Mexico. [1]
I love this on a symbolic level because on the surface it's funny to see this very "anime" trope you'd think is unrealistic smash into scenarios from Communist history, [2] but below the surface, it's actually an interesting reflection of the concept of ages of world history in the real world and how at a certain point both Stalin's Marxism and Trotskyism have to reinvent themselves from the beginning to be of any use in the new post-1991 age.
... an age where both Stalin's Marxism and Trotskyism have to abandon all their previous assumptions and start over from only what they observe and what models they observe actually fitting real history and predicting each other — a new age where meta-Marxism replaces the Marxisms of old but allows them to reconstruct each other. ... [3]
- ↑ pronounced [ʃɑˈɣ̞waɾ]. in-universe many English speakers end up mispronouncing it as [xaˈɣ̞waɾ], thinking of the x in Mexico. but it actually comes from Galician, a Portuguese-like regional language. [1] [2]
- ↑ gosh I'm trying to think of where this idea came from in my mind and I think my reference is Dragon Ball and Goku finishing his battles and letting the various evil kings come back to life, all because he gets his ability to do good starting from his sheer power and doesn't know what being good actually is. here I think the context is different. Jackson actually has reason to support other variations of Marxism existing as "the rational thing to do", because historically Stalin's Marxism has never had all the answers to its own core questions, and even listening to Maoism or Che Guevara's Marxism will bring some kind of improvement when they all work together. ...
Jackson sees the value in trying to lift Trotskyists up in that they are the closest to being his allies and he can have more "friends", but he also has high expectations. ... the original Stalin was snarky, but this one is too nice and makes you afraid you're an insufficient version of yourself. he's the Stalin of the demographically-bourgeois Existentialist age we're experiencing in real life; he's more palatable to political-agorist types in that he torments people into horrible spirals of depression and death in exactly the way they do. love and compassion are his weapons and he can use them to commit murder. - ↑ hmm. are they like real-world clones? ... I don't really know. I want to say the neo-nazis got super disgustingly obsessed with finding the purest genome sample to the point they actually did a decent job at creating Jackson more or less free of genome damage. hypothetically if you have enough cells with the same genome in them you could put the genomes together and 'remaster' them into a consensus genome ... the more cells you had to work with, the more you would simply see the same sequences come up over and over again and the mutations become infrequent in comparison. ... so what I imagine is the neo-nazis obsessively making sure they have as many cells as possible to put into the shining witch-fire and it's like, hey we found another sample, oh wonderful, there may only be a little bit of the sequence in that one but we need it anyway. they look totally crazy from the outside, like this is classic black magic, this is pagan superstition, but somehow it works.
Jackson appropriates the Duginists' dark arts that were once going to be used to oppress him for his own purposes, allowing him to create another nearly impeccable copy of someone's genome. surprising everyone when nobody expected that out of a "Stalinist" on a moral level, or out of anyone period in terms of ability.
thus, against all odds, the nazi obsession with DNA finally did something good for the world for the first and last time. but it only became possible because Marxists hijacked what nazis were doing and applied the classic Marxist principle of reinterpreting things (British India, globalization, republics, capitalist corporations, etc.) in terms of their consequences rather than their original intentions.