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</li><li data-qid="49,17" value="4917" class="field_trotsky" data-dimension="S">Russian Revolution according to Trotskyists / Russian Revolution specifically according to Leon Trotsky  ->  it's worth taking people's bull{{censor|tts=|shit}} and just repeating it back, going through it line by line. in some cases, you spot the errors that led somebody to think that way. in other cases, you spot the material processes that caused somebody to make the error that led them to think that way. I think the latter applies here. I would read the anecdotes about Trotsky and Lenin visiting Europe and think, huh, so he was reasonably close to some of the actually important figures in the Russian Revolution, and seemed to generalize that to being a [[E:culturally-defined Communist|serious member of Bolshevik identity]]. there was a strong theme of groups linked by social bonds rather than by theory.
{{li|I=S1/IV/ML|Q=49,17|Q2=4917}}Russian Revolution according to Trotskyists / Russian Revolution specifically according to Leon Trotsky  ->  it's worth taking people's {{censor|tts=BS|bullshit}} and just repeating it back, going through it line by line. in some cases, you spot the errors that led somebody to think that way. in other cases, you spot the material processes that caused somebody to make the error that led them to think that way. <s>I think the latter applies here.</s> I would read the anecdotes about Trotsky and Lenin visiting Europe and think, huh, so he was reasonably close to some of the actually important figures in the Russian Revolution, <s>and seemed to generalize that to being a [[E:culturally-defined Communist|serious member of Bolshevik identity]].</s> <s>there was a strong theme of groups linked by social bonds rather than by theory.</s>
 
{{li|I=S1/IV|Q=33,17|Q2=3317}}"a serious member of Bolshevik identity"  ->  this wasn't fair. circa 1925 he had improved from where he had been early on. I see what my accusation was, that he was only a "fellow traveler" of the Russian Revolution, but at the very least, that ceased to be true over time.


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{{li|I=S1/IV/ML|Q=40,16|Q2=40,16}}Trotsky, who founded the CPSU / Trotsky, who was the founder of the CPSU along with Lenin {{YouTube|C_wWvpXZTTg}}  ->  whenever PragerU repeats <s>Trotskyist misinformation</s> Trotskyist talking points I laugh out loud. my guy, you are repeating Communism to justify your Toryism. you don't know that's what you're doing but you are.
sub-case of: Q49,17 Russian Revolution according to Trotskyists.<br />
see also: Q??? let's eat grandpa / Trotsky helped found the Third International galvanizing Leninism around the world.


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{{li|start=y|I=Z1/IV|Q=618|Q2=618|h4-rem=}}{{article|Three Conceptions of the Russian Revolution}} (Trotsky 1939) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/10/rrev-o21.html] [https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1940/xx/stalin/index.htm]
 
{{li|I=S1/ML|Q=33,17|Q2=3317|h4= culturally-defined Communist }} / subjectivity-defined Communist (Marcuse) / ([[User:RD/9k/Q33,17|9k]])
 
{{li|I=S1/ML|tradition=HAS / linguistics|Q=51,29|Q2=5129|h4= let's eat grandpa }} / Trotsky helped lay the foundations of the Third International galvanizing revolutionary parties around the world [https://workersvoiceus.org/2020/08/18/trotskys-unfinished-article-on-trade-unions-still-speaks-to-workers-struggles/] {{9k|RD|Q51,29}}


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{{li|I=Z1/ML |Q=41,03|Q2=4103}}{{TTS|ML|M-L}} / Stalin's Marxism (2020s)
{{li|I=S1/ML |Q=  618|Q2= 618}}{{TTS|ML|M-L}} / Communist aesthetics
{{li|I=S1/HAS|Q=  618|Q2= 618}}{{TTS|HAS|Hass}} / linguistics
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Latest revision as of 03:09, 25 September 2026

Main entry

  1. Russian Revolution according to Trotskyists

  2. Russian Revolution according to Trotskyists / Russian Revolution specifically according to Leon Trotsky -> it's worth taking people's pronounced BS and just repeating it back, going through it line by line. in some cases, you spot the errors that led somebody to think that way. in other cases, you spot the material processes that caused somebody to make the error that led them to think that way. I think the latter applies here. I would read the anecdotes about Trotsky and Lenin visiting Europe and think, huh, so he was reasonably close to some of the actually important figures in the Russian Revolution, and seemed to generalize that to being a serious member of Bolshevik identity. there was a strong theme of groups linked by social bonds rather than by theory.
  3. "a serious member of Bolshevik identity" -> this wasn't fair. circa 1925 he had improved from where he had been early on. I see what my accusation was, that he was only a "fellow traveler" of the Russian Revolution, but at the very least, that ceased to be true over time.

Sub-cases

  1. Trotsky, who founded the CPSU

  2. Trotsky, who founded the CPSU / Trotsky, who was the founder of the CPSU along with Lenin [1] -> whenever PragerU repeats Trotskyist misinformation Trotskyist talking points I laugh out loud. my guy, you are repeating Communism to justify your Toryism. you don't know that's what you're doing but you are.

Related

  1. Three Conceptions of the Russian Revolution (Trotsky 1939) [2] [3]

  2. culturally-defined Communist

    / subjectivity-defined Communist (Marcuse) / (9k)

  3. let's eat grandpa

    / Trotsky helped lay the foundations of the Third International galvanizing revolutionary parties around the world [4] / (9k)

Ideologies, fields, or topics

  1. pronounced M.X. / meta-Marxism
  2. pronounced Fourth / Trotskyism
  3. pronounced M-L / Stalin's Marxism (2020s)
  4. pronounced M-L / Communist aesthetics
  5. pronounced Hass / linguistics

Wavebuilder combinations

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pronounced 618. (S)pronounced (Fourth) (S): IV /Trotsky, who founded the CPSU (pronounced proposed / IV)1-1-1
along with [Item]
pronounced 618. (S)pronounced (Fourth) (S): IV /Russian Revolution according to Trotskyists (pronounced proposed / IV)1-1-1
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pronounced 618. (S)pronounced (Fourth) (S): IV /Russian Revolution according to Trotskyists (pronounced proposed / IV)1-1-1
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pronounced 618. (S)pronounced (Fourth) (S): IV /Trotsky, who founded the CPSU (pronounced proposed / IV)1-1-1
pronounced P: pronounced Wave-builder: forms result [Item]
pronounced 618. (S)pronounced (Fourth) (S): IV /Trotsky, galvanizing the world's parties (pronounced proposed / IV)1-1-1
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pronounced 618. (S)pronounced (Fourth) (S): IV /let's eat grandpa (pronounced proposed / IV)1-1-1
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pronounced 618. (S)pronounced (Fourth) (S): IV /let's eat grandpa (pronounced proposed / IV)1-1-1
pronounced 618. (S)pronounced (Fourth) (S): IV /Trotsky, who founded the CPSU (pronounced proposed / IV)1-1-1
pronounced 618. (S)pronounced (Fourth) (S): IV /Trotsky, galvanizing the world's parties (pronounced proposed / IV)1-1-1
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