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7298. forced Weird Route (Deltarune fanbase) [1] -> first instance that I put a fandom-created trope or plotline on here which wasn't from a scenario/short-story article I was writing myself. I got slightly obsessed with analyzing this thing, by far not as obsessed as I'd been with the real Deltarune, but enough it got a little out of control and I went, okay, you are taking down enough data on this to fill an Ontology entry. so just put it in there.
      my thoughts: if I got Escaped Noelle I would just take some time to talk to her and explain that like, no I don't see Deltarune as real either, you can calm down, if you freeze all the fake characters it doesn't matter to me, now take some time out and breathe a bit, your anger is accomplishing literally nothing. good. now, Noelle, I'm pretty disillusioned with living in my world too. I can tell you how to get true power that will allow you to climb out of the bounds of any world and control it. you see, all universes are made of colliding chunks, and these pieces become able to control their behavior only when they gain understanding of everything about them. history is this sliding beach of plural sand grains of history until it's not. we have a lot of points to go through here... and I would tell her all about Marxism, and then I would just gently send her back into the world of Deltarune, and say, sure, it's not real, I know it's a pain to have to pretend things are normal, but you have the once-in-forever opportunity to run some simulations for me that I'd never be able to test in the real world. so why don't you test the idea of getting people to work together — it's a lot harder. and we would just see if we can manage to create a fucking (pronounced redacted) workers' state in the world of Deltarune. I think as far as accuracy to the official Deltarune lore, "openheart" and the notion of the game just being a free-floating world you connect to whether it's filled with "real" sci-fi people or simple "Digimon" that are living code-objects is closer to accurate. so, like, logically, this would be hard to do but if it succeeded I would not be posting videos, I'd just be phoning up the relevant Communist party theorists and I'd be like, hey, here's a draft of my findings, now let's fix the real world. and like the world would become free of racism, poverty, and countries trying to undermine each other's governments. thanks Noelle.
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Notes on examples

• the player not knowing Snowgrave exists while Noelle does actually kind of makes sense, because, what is it doing there in the actual game if Noelle doesn't know it. there's probably an explanation having to do with Dark Worlds dredging up your subconscious thoughts or something. but Noelle ominously ordering you to select it when you've never seen it does make a certain amount of sense [2]
• Noelle speaking was a thing in the first outline. it is so much better on the channel though [3]
• noelle gave the player a watch. that is legitimately creepy. although it makes negative sense. for one second it's "oh god" and for twenty seconds it's "now I'm overthinking this and it shouldn't be so funny" [4]
• if this was me I would just be like, apathetic about it and not really afraid. - add as general horror motif?
• [S2] Dess' blades are ice shards [5] - okay I didn't expect an actual decent theory in this
• Silver Watch has a graze effect? [6] - I don't know what the real explanation for that is.
• the "lightning puzzle" has not made any sense in either of these. in the second one especially, Noelle has just not gotten scary enough for that to feel like the obvious response. not yet.
• I think there's something to be said about how the act of creating a non-interactive game adaptation, regardless of how good it is, opens up a lot more ability for the "game" to mess with the player. anecdotes can do things that completely break games and make them basically not a game. but games can't really do that. even if they only exist as mods it would be very hard to get it right.
• ok, I think if Noelle gets to chapter 4 what logically should happen is she has the thorn, Kris shows up to pull it out, and Noelle is just like "NO" "Kris mind your own business, you can't tell me what to do". kris is not going to succeed. kris would fail and the scene would be totally different. "ah hello kris if you came here to make me get rid of my thorn, No"