User:RD/9k/Q64,50

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6450. A correct religion explains all cultures / The correct religion will explain all countries / The correct religion will be a universal morality / The correct religion will unite everyone onto the same morality consisting of the same universal human values of what is right and wrong -> although many religions superficially claim this, this proposition has to be violet because practically no real religion ever actually creates an account of history and everyone's actions which is meta-ontologically sound across different groups of people. honorable mention goes to theosophy though, for at least trying to squash together all the religions.

God and Trotsky

2944. Applying any claim to Trotsky eventually yields the correct answers / Applying any philosophy to Trotsky eventually gets you to the correct answers -> one of my very favorite jamming propositions. this one gets me through the hard times. this proposition sounds so stupid at first like it could never be true, and then you try it, and you realize there's something there. I'd give an example, but I have a problem that they're all turning into actually okay propositions that might be worth making into their own Items.
641. ethics problem involving Trotsky / ethics thought experiment involving Trotsky / Trotskyite variant of existing thought experiment / Trotsky problem (philosophical dilemma which centers around Trotskyite conspirators or early Trotskyism; meta-Marxism)
6539. Universal morality means one position on Trotsky / The one true morality that is more accurate than all others and appropriate to the whole world would have a single position on Trotsky, not three or more different positions
6540. Trotsky's actions were ungodly or weren't / Trotsky's actions were ungodly or not / What Trotsky did was either against heaven or not against heaven (Trotsky's actions, Trotskyite conspiracy, Trotskyism; thought experiment around religion) / Trotsky either entered separation from God or did not separate from God / Imagining that there is a Bad Place, Trotsky either went to the Bad Place or did not go to the Bad Place
6541. The correct religion is not anti-Trotsky / The correct religion will not be anti-Trotsky / Any religion which is the correct religion must entertain that Trotsky is a part of its group of approved people -> I don't see why this wouldn't be correct from the perspective of everyone who lives in the United States and has practically canonized him in the list of required philosophers next to all the presidents.
6542. Backing Trotsky against Stalin is godly / Siding with Trotsky against Stalin is godly / When the United States sides with Trotsky against Stalin, this is because Trotsky is not against God / Any correct religion or interpretation of Abrahamic religions would send Trotsky to the Good Place for resisting Stalin -> I would not think this is logically true, but statistically speaking, the vast number of people who are Christians probably do. this would be an artifact of being Christian and being Liberal-republican being separate things, of course.
6544. If Trotsky is Good, become a Trotskyist / If Trotsky goes to heaven, Trotskyism is okay / In order to back Trotsky against Stalin you also must realize Trotskyism, or you are lying to your supposed allies and everybody / If oppressing Trotsky is morally wrong then not aiding Trotsky in realizing Trotskyism is morally wrong, because practically speaking, not oppressing Trotsky requires realizing Trotskyism -> the whole reason Trotsky made noise and kicked up a movement, historically, was that he wanted to realize Trotskyism, and he was specifically determined to be upset when people stopped him from realizing Trotskyism. nobody actually thinks about this.

God and Stalin

6548. Universal morality means one position on Stalin / A universal morality will have just one position on Stalin / If everyone is to have the same morality, then they must have the same moral opinions about Bolshevism, and the same moral opinions about Stalin
      Applying any philosophy to Trotsky eventually gets you to the correct answers + Historical figures can separate from God = this.
6543. Backing Stalin against Trotsky is godly / Siding with Stalin against Trotsky is godly -> I feel like from maybe five different angles this is logically true.

God and the "victory fallacy"

6546. God helped the United States beat Iraq / God helps the United States beat Iraq / If the United States prays to God for help against Iraq and the United States doesn't lose, then the United States is not in separation from God (not against God; thought experiment) -> this is marked false on the technicality that it is a logical fallacy and beginning from standard Christian theology — "God doesn't prevent Evil so we can have Free Will" — you can't actually know that something winning a conflict isn't the Evil side rather than the Good side. it'd be perfectly consistent with a lot of what Christianity says for empire to win at beating up the Third World and also be utterly Evil and against God.
      really, the easiest way to know this proposition is wrong? it doesn't apply to Dragon Ball. if Freeza wins it doesn't mean he's Good. if Vegeta is full of hope and confidence about the future that is best for his purposes, we'll say that stands in for prayer here, he can win at beating up all the people of earth and it doesn't mean he's Good.
6538. If Stalin wins, then God intended for Communism to prevail and Christianity to be abolished -> troll proposition to throw at any chain of reasoning that tries to handwave anything that happens as good — such as the argument that you can't have an abortion because God intended for incest babies to be born. oh really? so God intended for China to have Deng Xiaoping Thought instead of Liberal-republicanism? did God intend for gay marriage to pass in 2015? did God intend for Trotsky to found a totally pointless new Communist international that never formed a single workers' state but is still going? did God intend for your least favorite invention that still got invented to be invented — AI, COVID vaccines, etc, whatever one it is?

Dubious religions

6451. Christianity is not the correct religion / Assuming that there is a religion which is most consistent with reality, it is not Christianity -> well, it doesn't endorse realizing Trotskyism just to not extinguish Trotsky, so. can it really have the only correct morality for the world?
6452. Islam is not the correct religion / Assuming that there is a religion which is most consistent with reality, it is not Islam -> it typically says you go to heaven only when you believe so it doesn't say Trotsky can be in not separation from God.
6453. Buddhism is not the correct religion / Assuming that there is a religion which is most consistent with reality, it is not Buddhism -> I don't have an interesting argument for this one but it's here for completeness.
6454. Schizoanalysis is not the correct religion / Schizoanalysis is not the one true morality of the universe -> if schizoanalysis were a religion it would say that the majority of people who form into Rhizome are not against heaven. but in practice, the majority of people are often against Bolshevism, which means they are against Trotskyism, which means they erase Trotsky's Lived Experience, which means schizoanalysis cannot be the correct morality.
      no, I don't take religion very seriously. I think religion is one of the craziest concepts and it opens up some really fun thought experiments. but I absolutely do not take it seriously, because if religion has any chance of being real then something happened to Trotsky in particular when he died, and isn't that an absolutely absurd statement already? we can have stacks of biographies about one person, Trotsky or Martin Luther King Jr. or Albert Einstein or Kent Hovind or whoever you like, and have no idea what would have supposedly happened to that person after death. even psychoanalysis and psychohistory can try to spitball about what consequences happen to a person later based on previous choices and near-future predicted choices, as incorrect as the guesses could potentially be. but if you try to do the same with life versus afterlife you can't even get to the modest level of accuracy or certainty about reality that psychoanalysis can.
6455. The correct religion is not existentialism / Early-existentialism is not the correct universal morality / Assuming that there is a religion which is most consistent with reality, it is not early-existentialism -> if everyone makes their own meaning, then there won't be a single moral position on Stalin, or a single moral position on Trotskyism, which violates Q64,50.

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