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== Main entry ==
== Main entries ==
<noinclude>{{HueCSS}}</noinclude><ol class="hue clean">
{{HueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean">
{{li|I=Z1/Fy|Q=76,17|Q2=7617}}{{game|Deltarune|E=Q7617}}
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=== Chapters ===
<ol class="hue clean">


<li data-qid="76,17" value="7617" class="field_fantasy" data-dimension="Z"><cite>[[Ontology:Q7617|Deltarune]]</cite>
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6901" data-dimension="Z">Deltarune Chapter 1
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6902" data-dimension="Z">Deltarune Chapter 2
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6903" data-dimension="Z">Deltarune Chapter 3
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6904" data-dimension="Z">Deltarune Chapter 4
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6905" data-dimension="Z">Deltarune Chapter 5 (unreleased)
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6906" data-dimension="Z">Deltarune Chapter 6 (unreleased)
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6907" data-dimension="Z">Deltarune Chapter 7 (unreleased)
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6908" data-dimension="S">further Deltarune chapters / Deltarune chapter 0  ->  Deltarune chapters which are not listed on the chapter select screen. currently hypothetical.
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6909" data-dimension="S">Deltarune chapter and save menus  ->  filling a slot with something slightly important.
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6910" data-dimension="S">Deltarune credits sequence  ->  we can strongly guess there will be one looking at Undertale and the "gallery" window. whether it's at all important is the question. it might not be important at all. or there might be exactly one interesting credits presentation trope that makes it not totally useless to code here.


</li></ol>
</li></ol>


== Related games ==
== Related games ==
<ol class="hue clean">


<ol class="hue clean">
</li><li data-qid="76,16" value="7616" class="field_fantasy" data-dimension="Z"><cite>[[Ontology:Q7616|Undertale]]</cite>


</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="Z">{{game|Breath of Fire}}
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="Z">{{game|Breath of Fire}}


</li><li data-qid="76,16" value="7616" class="field_fantasy" data-dimension="Z"><cite>[[Ontology:Q7616|Undertale]]</cite>
</li></ol>
 
== Characters ==
<ol class="hue clean field_horror">
 
{{li|start=y|I=S1/UTDR/DFy|Q=66,23|Q2=6623}}Noelle Holiday / ({{9k|RD/Q66,23}})
 
{{li|I=S1/UTDR/DFy|Q=69,12|Q2=6912}}Dess Holiday / December Holiday / ({{9k|RD/Q69,12}})
 
{{li|I=S1/UTDR/WD66|Q=66,90|Q2=6690}}[[E:Q6690|The Roaring Knight]] / ({{9k|RD/Q66,90}})


</li></ol>
</li></ol>


== Miscellaneous ==
== Miscellaneous ==
<ol class="hue clean">
<ol class="hue clean">


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</li><li class="field_fantasy" data-tradition="Fy" value="618" data-dimension="S">chat plays Undertale
</li><li class="field_fantasy" data-tradition="Fy" value="618" data-dimension="S">chat plays Undertale
</li><li class="field_mdem" data-tradition="MX onto Aa / meta-Marxism onto Jungianism" value="618" data-dimension="S2">The collective unconscious in fiction is an illusion created by the fact that all the characters actually emerge from a single real mind / ([[User:RD/9k/Q34,99|9k]])


</li></ol>
</li></ol>


== Struggle against the narrative ==
== Struggle against the narrative ==
<ol class="hue clean">
{{li|start=y|I=S2/ES|Q=60,77|Q2=6077}}Susie being herself can change the Prophecy / ([[User:RD/9k/Q6077|9k]])


</li></ol>
== Psychoanalysis ==
<ol class="hue clean">
<ol class="hue clean">


{{li|start=y|I=S2/ES|Q=60,77|Q2=6077}}Susie being herself can change the Prophecy / ([[User:RD/9k/Q6077|9k]])
{{li|start=y|I=S2/Aa|Q=618|Q2=618}}Jung described the subconscious as an ocean {{YouTube|5PiQpRUqhV8}}


</li></ol>
</li></ol>


== Theories (26/2) ==
== Theories (26/2) ==
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<ol class="hue clean">


{{li|start=y|I=S2/Fy|class=field_horror|Q=618|Q2=618}}Dess is not whole in the sense that Kris and Susie are {{YouTube|SujMfaY8FG0}}  ->  probably.
{{li|start=y|I=S2/Fy|class=field_horror|Q=618|Q2=618}}The red heart device is not Kris' mind or spirit (is not Kris' Soul; Deltarune) {{YouTube|SujMfaY8FG0}}  ->  I definitely think this is true but not in the ways Undertale works where you have to have one anyway. I think Souls are just not real in Deltarune even though they are in Undertale.
 
{{li|I=S2/Fy|class=field_horror|Q=618|Q2=618}}The red heart device is not Kris' mind or spirit (is not Kris' Soul; Deltarune) {{YouTube|SujMfaY8FG0}}  ->  I definitely think this is true but not in the ways Undertale works where you have to have one anyway. I think Souls are just not real in Deltarune even though they are in Undertale.


{{li|I=S2/Fy|class=field_horror|Q=618|Q2=618}}Kris' Soul was put inside Dess for Kris to be able to puppet the Knight and act out the Prophecy {{YouTube|SujMfaY8FG0}}
{{li|I=S2/Fy|class=field_horror|Q=618|Q2=618}}Kris' Soul was put inside Dess for Kris to be able to puppet the Knight and act out the Prophecy {{YouTube|SujMfaY8FG0}}
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{{li|I=S2/Fy|class=field_horror|Q=618|Q2=618}}Rudy Holiday donated his body to create the Roaring Knight
{{li|I=S2/Fy|class=field_horror|Q=618|Q2=618}}Rudy Holiday donated his body to create the Roaring Knight


{{li|I=S2/Fy|class=field_horror|Q=618|Q2=618}}Dess was afraid of being trapped in a closet / Dess turned her bed away from the closet because, perhaps from a younger age, she had had nightmares about being trapped in darkness {{YouTube|xHJm9dSzKXw}}
{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618}}Deltarune and Wonderland / Deltarune and {{book|Alice in Wonderland}}
 
{{li|I=S2/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618}}If the Cheshire cat is a cat that ostensibly has the power to guide you out of Wonderland, {{caps|Image_Friend}} is a guiding cat that gives no illusions of guiding you out, and only wants to guide you deeper in; this is to imply that
 
{{li|I=S2/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618}}Kris was made from the Vessel {{9k|dFRhc6fyMIw}}
 
{{li|I=S2/Fy|Q=64,09|Q2=6409}}Deltarune's inner narrative contains a retcon / Deltarune's metanarrative includes its characters already having wounded, warped, or in any case {{em|modified}} its inner narrative so that the narrative the player sees when Deltarune first boots up is already not the original narrative that may have existed before the modification; this is to imply that "Gerson" knows the inner narrative can be changed because it already has been


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<ol class="hue clean compound">
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{{HueDomain|Q11,71}} <!-- en: Fy / urban fantasy -->
{{HueDomain|Q11,71}}   <!-- en: Fy / urban fantasy -->
{{HueDomain|Q11,42}} <!-- en: (D)Fy / trauma adventures -->
{{HueDomain|Q11,41/TS}} <!-- (D)Fy / trauma adventures -->
{{HueDomain|Q76,17}} <!-- en: UTDR / Deltarune -->
{{HueDomain|Q76,17}}   <!-- UTDR / Deltarune -->
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</ol>
== Subpages ==
* [[User:RD/9k/Q76,17/log]] - gameplay notes




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Latest revision as of 09:55, 26 May 2026

Main entries

  1. Deltarune

Chapters

  1. Deltarune Chapter 1
  2. Deltarune Chapter 2
  3. Deltarune Chapter 3
  4. Deltarune Chapter 4
  5. Deltarune Chapter 5 (unreleased)
  6. Deltarune Chapter 6 (unreleased)
  7. Deltarune Chapter 7 (unreleased)
  8. further Deltarune chapters / Deltarune chapter 0 -> Deltarune chapters which are not listed on the chapter select screen. currently hypothetical.
  9. Deltarune chapter and save menus -> filling a slot with something slightly important.
  10. Deltarune credits sequence -> we can strongly guess there will be one looking at Undertale and the "gallery" window. whether it's at all important is the question. it might not be important at all. or there might be exactly one interesting credits presentation trope that makes it not totally useless to code here.

Related games

  1. Undertale
  2. Breath of Fire

Characters

  1. Noelle Holiday / (9k)
  2. Dess Holiday / December Holiday / (9k)
  3. The Roaring Knight / (9k)

Miscellaneous

  1. if I don't get out of this small town I'll be stuck working at ICE-E's Pizza
  2. Deltarune and Twin Peaks
  3. old scholars greyed by research forgotten / "Old scholars, greyed by research forgotten" [1] -> this line has to be more important than it seems, specifically because of the word "greyed". it normally has to do with age, but within the dark sanctuary it almost certainly refers to Goners of some kind. it comes up in the same chapter as Gerson going from being normal-dead to being a Goner in the context of a Dark World. it comes up in the vague vicinity of the room of organ monks that are all stone, which I feel like it's referring to. this line weirdly implies they were trying to learn something they weren't supposed to know. but there's only one stated way to become a Goner, which is leaving a Dark World. so there are only a few things you could be attempting to learn. A) what's beyond your world B) how to survive the Roaring personally C) how to stop the Roaring
  4. Monsters and humans in Deltarune are not actually filled with blood, but with Determination, because Determination (red) is the default Soul color [2] -> interesting idea. I am tempted to make a joke about Adventure Time and Marceline eating red but it isn't coming together.
  5. Susie having a healing ability is a reference to Breath of Fire [3]
  6. Your love for characters cannot save them, but taking those lessons to the real world is valuable [4] -> [...]
  7. "Determination" is a magic power in Undertale
  8. "Determination" is a magic power in Deltarune
  9. "Power" is a magic power in Deltarune
  10. "Pain" is a magic power in Deltarune
  11. "Freedom" is a magic power in Deltarune
  12. chat plays Undertale
  13. The collective unconscious in fiction is an illusion created by the fact that all the characters actually emerge from a single real mind / (9k)

Struggle against the narrative

  1. Susie being herself can change the Prophecy / (9k)

Psychoanalysis

  1. Jung described the subconscious as an ocean [5]

Theories (26/2)

  1. The red heart device is not Kris' mind or spirit (is not Kris' Soul; Deltarune) [6] -> I definitely think this is true but not in the ways Undertale works where you have to have one anyway. I think Souls are just not real in Deltarune even though they are in Undertale.
  2. Kris' Soul was put inside Dess for Kris to be able to puppet the Knight and act out the Prophecy [7]
  3. Rudy Holiday donated his body to create the Roaring Knight
  4. Deltarune and Wonderland / Deltarune and Alice in Wonderland
  5. If the Cheshire cat is a cat that ostensibly has the power to guide you out of Wonderland, Image_Friend is a guiding cat that gives no illusions of guiding you out, and only wants to guide you deeper in; this is to imply that
  6. Kris was made from the Vessel 9k
  7. Deltarune's inner narrative contains a retcon / Deltarune's metanarrative includes its characters already having wounded, warped, or in any case modified its inner narrative so that the narrative the player sees when Deltarune first boots up is already not the original narrative that may have existed before the modification; this is to imply that "Gerson" knows the inner narrative can be changed because it already has been

Ideologies or fields

  1. pronounced 11,71. (S)pronounced (Fantasy) (S): pronounced Fantasy  / urban fantasy (Q11,71)1-1-1
  2. pronounced 11,41. (S)pronounced (Fantasy) (S): pronounced Fantasy  / trauma adventures (Q11,41/TS)1-1-1
  3. pronounced 76,17. (Z)pronounced (Deltarune) (Z): pronounced Deltarune  / Deltarune (2018-) (Q76,17)1-1-1

Subpages

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