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Trotskyism is like cold fusion
(meta-Marxism)
Trotskyism is like cold fusion
-> it would be so useful if it was possible but it never comes to be.

~~if cold fusion becomes possible before Trotskyism in one country, then this statement is false.~~ if cold fusion becomes feasible before a Trotskyist transformation into socialism or a Trotskyist republic emerging at any size, then this statement is false.

cold fusion through materials [1] -> this has been announced but it's still unclear if it's succeeded.
it looks like researchers created an actual Maxwell's Demon?? the point of that thought experiment was supposed to be that the "demon" takes energy though. so it really calls into question whether that can generate excess energy
Trotskyism in one country -> this motif refers to a couple of things. years ago it used to very literally refer to a socialism in one country that claimed to be Trotskyist (which is impossible). but circa 2025 what it started meaning instead was 'a Trotskyist party breaking through bourgeois control in some particular country region, in that almost all of the world happens to be divided into country regions' — no actual requirement of socialism in one country or nation-states as we know them. you can't call this particular concept "socialism" because to Trotskyists socialism only begins when Trotskyism 'breaks through' across basically all former nation-states. so I was instead calling it "Trotskyism in one country" for lack of a better term. around late 2025 I shifted to "Trotskyist republic".
Trotskyism is like livermorium
— it's really big, but it falls apart and disappears immediately before it can even be observed
world where Trotskyists surpass North Korea
/ world where Trotskyists have made as much material progress in the world as North Korea -> this one hurts, doesn't it. they can't stand tiny fortress states that have various kinds of suffering imposed on them by First World empires, and often try to pin that on "the Stalinists" so they have someone to attack. but it's a somewhat indisputable fact that — reversion toward capitalism or none — North Koreans have done more socialist transition in their overall history than Trotskyists ever have.
your meta-Marxism is literally just Stalinism / (9k) -> these entries may have been a bit too mean.
then again, looking back at James P. Cannon's letter... Trotskyism fared really badly during WWII. when you look at it all from a distance, what it starts to look like is Trotskyists failed in Europe, the Axis powers were stronger, Stalin's Marxism had to take over the area to be able to defeat the Axis powers leading to it fighting off Trotskyism like a glorified anarchism, but because the Axis powers were so strong, capitalism had already prepared a huge cluster of center-Liberal armies that was stronger than Stalin's Marxism when combined and then both Marxisms were defeated. World War II was so bad that like, it was almost a 'medieval' war between archaic classes that had nothing to do with Marxism, like the regional wars between local-states before kingdoms only much more deadly. what do you even do if that's happening? there are many conflicts that Marxism has to simply understand have nothing to do with the central topics of Marxism that bring Marxism into existence. and yet if this stuff really doesn't concern Marxism, how do you ever win against capitalism when it's one of the strongest things in the universe despite being one of the most fragile and fractured things there is?
A letter to Trotskyists throughout the world [2] [3]

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[9k] Trotskyism is like cold fusion - Q47,78;4778 ; Trotskyism is like cold fusion ; Trotskyism is like livermorium ; world where Trotskyists surpass North Korea

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-<li class="field_trotsky" value="4778" data-dimension="S2">Trotskyism is like cold fusion  ->  it would be so useful if it was possible but it never comes to be.<br />
+{{li|start=y|I=S2/MX|tradition=MX onto IV|Q=47,78|Q2=4778|h4= Trotskyism is like cold fusion }} (meta-Marxism)
-if cold fusion becomes possible before Trotskyism in one country, then this statement is false.
+{{li|I=S2/ML|tradition=ML oer IV|Q=47,78|Q2=4778|h4= Trotskyism is like cold fusion }}  ->  it would be so useful if it was possible but it never comes to be.<br />
+<s>if cold fusion becomes possible before Trotskyism in one country, then this statement is false.</s> if cold fusion becomes feasible before a Trotskyist transformation into socialism or a Trotskyist republic emerging at any size, then this statement is false.
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+{{li|start=y|I=S1/STM|tradition=|Q=618|Q2=618}}cold fusion through materials [https://engineerine.com/canadas-cold-fusion-breakthrough/]  ->  this has been announced but it's still unclear if it's succeeded.<br/>
+it looks like researchers created an actual Maxwell's Demon?? the point of that thought experiment was supposed to be that the "demon" takes energy though. so it really calls into question whether that can generate excess energy
+{{li|I=S1/MX|tradition=MX|Q=618|Q2=618}}Trotskyism in one country  ->  this motif refers to a couple of things. years ago it used to very literally refer to a socialism in one country that claimed to be Trotskyist (which is impossible). but circa 2025 what it started meaning instead was 'a Trotskyist party breaking through bourgeois control in some particular country region, in that almost all of the world happens to be divided into country regions' — no actual requirement of socialism in one country or nation-states as we know them. you can't call this particular concept "socialism" because to Trotskyists socialism only begins when Trotskyism 'breaks through' across basically all former nation-states. so I was instead calling it "Trotskyism in one country" for lack of a better term. around late 2025 I shifted to "Trotskyist republic".
+{{li|I=S2/ML|tradition=MX onto IV|Q=47,79|Q2=4779|h4=Trotskyism is like livermorium}} — it's really big, but it falls apart and disappears immediately before it can even be observed
+{{li|I=S1/ML|tradition=MX onto IV|Q=47,85|Q2=4785|h4= world where Trotskyists surpass North Korea }} / world where Trotskyists have made as much material progress in the world as North Korea  ->  this one hurts, doesn't it. they can't stand tiny fortress states that have various kinds of suffering imposed on them by First World empires, and often try to pin that on "the Stalinists" so they have someone to attack. but it's a somewhat indisputable fact that — reversion toward capitalism or none — North Koreans have done more socialist transition in their overall history than Trotskyists ever have.
+{{li|I=S1/MX|Q=70,44|Q2=7044}}your meta-Marxism is literally just Stalinism / ({{9k|RD/Q7044}})  ->  these entries may have been a bit too mean.<br/>
+then again, looking back at James P. Cannon's letter... Trotskyism fared {{em|really badly}} during WWII. when you look at it all from a distance, what it starts to look like is Trotskyists failed in Europe, the Axis powers were stronger, Stalin's Marxism had to take over the area to be able to defeat the Axis powers leading to it fighting off Trotskyism like a glorified anarchism, but because the Axis powers were so strong, capitalism had already prepared a huge cluster of center-Liberal armies that was stronger than Stalin's Marxism when combined and then both Marxisms were defeated. World War II was so bad that like, it was almost a 'medieval' war between archaic classes that had nothing to do with Marxism, like the regional wars between local-states before kingdoms only much more deadly. what do you even do if that's happening? there are many conflicts that Marxism has to simply understand have nothing to do with the central topics of Marxism that bring Marxism into existence. and yet if this stuff really doesn't concern Marxism, how do you ever win against capitalism when it's one of the strongest things in the universe despite being one of the most fragile and fractured things there is?
+{{li|I=Z1/IV|Q=43,53|Q2=4353}}A letter to Trotskyists throughout the world [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/10/open-o21.html] {{a|title=A letter to Trotskyists throughout the world|href=https://archive.is/JCdgs}}
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+== Full title for bookmarks (optional) ==
+<pre>[9k] Trotskyism is like cold fusion - Q47,78;4778 ; Trotskyism is like cold fusion ; Trotskyism is like livermorium ; world where Trotskyists surpass North Korea</pre>
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