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=== Nickel usage or significance ===
=== Nickel usage or significance ===
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* Demonstrates the ways in which the {{game|Pokémon}} series appears to fundamentally center around ethics


== Motifs or claims ==
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{{li|I=S1/Fy|tradition=Fy, PkMn|Q=618}}the balance between Pokémon and humanity
{{li|I=S1/Fy|tradition=Fy, PkMn|Q=618}}the balance between Pokémon and humanity


{{li|I=S1/IK|Q=50,98}}evil beings only using other living things for their own gain / ... that you treat the humanity in your own person and in that of others (including their consent) as an end before a means ... (Kant) (counter-claim) / ({{9k|RD/Q50,98}}) ->  in the manga, Cobalion was upset about the lack or presence of this. to be fair though [[EC:9k/RD/Q11,6,38|it is the Pokémon of justice]], so that vaguely {{em|is}} its "job".
{{li|I=S1/IK|Q=50,98}}evil beings only using other living things for their own gain (counter-claim) / ... that you treat the humanity in your own person and in that of others (including their consent) as an end before a means ... (categorical imperative, Immanuel Kant) / ({{9k|RD/Q54,96}})


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== Subjective themes ==
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{{li|start=y|I=S2/MX/ES/A|Q=618}}Anarchists won't listen to any proposition which isn't phrased in terms of ethics / Anarchists won't listen to any proposition about reality which isn't phrased in terms of individual ethics / ({{9k|RD/Q3300}})
{{li|start=y|I=S2/MX/ES/A|Q=618}}Anarchists won't listen to any proposition which isn't phrased in terms of ethics / Anarchists won't listen to any proposition about reality which isn't phrased in terms of individual ethics / ({{9k|RD/Q3300}})


{{li|I=S2/MX/A|Q=618}}N is an anarchist ({{game|Pokémon}}) / N Harmonia is a charcoal anarchist ([[E:anarchism to restore Native American tribe|tribal anarchisms]]; {{TTS|MX|meta-Marxism}} onto {{TTS|Fy|fiction}}) / N is a [[E:Western-Marxism|strawberry]] [[E:Fisherism is actually an anarchism|anarchist]] ([[E:Fisherism (Western-Marxism)|Fisherism]]) [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/N_Harmonia] ->  this is a more complicated claim than it sounds. the claim is that because N talks about Pokémon being raised in society as something that programs them to think and want certain things rather than what they "really" want, he is saying that society is unnatural while Free Will can only exist uncorrupted outside society. unpacking how that relates to anarchism takes longer, but there are various ways to argue that depending on what anarchism you're aiming at.<br/>
{{li|I=S2/MX/A|Q=618}}N is an anarchist ({{game|Pokémon}}) / N Harmonia is a charcoal anarchist ([[E:anarchism to restore Native American tribe|tribal anarchisms]]; {{TTS|MX|meta-Marxism}} onto {{TTS|Fy|fiction}}) / N is a [[E:Western-Marxism|strawberry]] [[E:Fisherism is actually an anarchism|anarchist]] ([[E:Fisherism (Western-Marxism)|Fisherism]]) [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/N_Harmonia] / ({{9k|RD/Q54,96}})
case of: {{a|assertion someone is an anarchist|E=Q32,99|sense=Q32,99/SB}}.
 
{{li|I=S2/DFy/ML|Q=618}}Pokémon trainers are a manifestation of bourgeois ideology / ({{9k|RD/Q54,96}})


{{li|I=S2/MX/W|Q=618}}N is a Western Marxist ({{game|Pokémon}}) / N Harmonia is the fantasy equivalent of a Western-Marxist — in an allegorical sense — because N looked at the system of humans recruiting Pokémon into Pokémon teams (corporations) to level them up and evolve them (gain "job experience" or social capital) at the expense of other Pokémon (thousands of people who don't get hired), and questioned why Pokémon (workers) should allow trainers (bourgeoisie) to decide everything that they value and believe (what industry they belong to, what they produce, whether the way a corporation operates is ethical) ->  I am pretty burned out on following Pokémon "unironically", but this right here is the only kind of thing that can bring me back to Pokémon as a "plot thread" that I can't help tugging on that is absolutely gripping
{{li|I=S2/MX/W|Q=618}}N is a Western Marxist ({{game|Pokémon}}) / N Harmonia is the fantasy equivalent of a Western-Marxist — in an allegorical sense — because N looked at the system of humans recruiting Pokémon into Pokémon teams (corporations) to level them up and evolve them (gain "job experience" or social capital) at the expense of other Pokémon (thousands of people who don't get hired), and questioned why Pokémon (workers) should allow trainers (bourgeoisie) to decide everything that they value and believe (what industry they belong to, what they produce, whether the way a corporation operates is ethical) / ({{9k|RD/Q54,96}})


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So... Was Team Plasma Actually Right?

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KrillikVA
field, scope, or group [Item]
Pokémon (pronounced proposed / Fy)1-1-1
urban fantasy (pronounced proposed / Fy)1-1-1
pronounced 618. (S)pronounced (E.S.) (S): pronounced E.S. ⧼hue-ins-domain-spacer/⧽ethics (pronounced proposed / FS)1-1-1
secular animism (pronounced proposed / A)1-1-1

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Nickel usage or significance

  • Demonstrates the ways in which the Pokémon series appears to fundamentally center around ethics

Motifs or claims

  1. Pokémon is about ethics / Pokémon is a series about ethics / (9k)
  2. a puzzle I cannot solve (Pokémon Adventures [?], generation 5; motif) / Why do Black's Pokémon stay loyal? (question)
  3. the balance between Pokémon and humanity
  4. evil beings only using other living things for their own gain (counter-claim) / ... that you treat the humanity in your own person and in that of others (including their consent) as an end before a means ... (categorical imperative, Immanuel Kant) / (9k)

Subjective themes

  1. Anarchists won't listen to any proposition which isn't phrased in terms of ethics / Anarchists won't listen to any proposition about reality which isn't phrased in terms of individual ethics / (9k)
  2. N is an anarchist (Pokémon) / N Harmonia is a charcoal anarchist (tribal anarchisms; pronounced meta-Marxism onto pronounced fiction) / N is a strawberry anarchist (Fisherism) [2] / (9k)
  3. Pokémon trainers are a manifestation of bourgeois ideology / (9k)
  4. N is a Western Marxist (Pokémon) / N Harmonia is the fantasy equivalent of a Western-Marxist — in an allegorical sense — because N looked at the system of humans recruiting Pokémon into Pokémon teams (corporations) to level them up and evolve them (gain "job experience" or social capital) at the expense of other Pokémon (thousands of people who don't get hired), and questioned why Pokémon (workers) should allow trainers (bourgeoisie) to decide everything that they value and believe (what industry they belong to, what they produce, whether the way a corporation operates is ethical) / (9k)
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