Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q618-FairlyOddParents

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618. Q618/Q618

     Fairly Oddparents

     (2001-2017) [1]
618. Q618/Q618 fake research -> this describes commentary pages that are entirely for fun or as a joke but are put together vaguely pretending they're serious either to practice the basic concept of collecting motifs and representing concepts with swatches, or for an ironic effect, or both. these pages or entries are not to be taken very seriously. however, they can be taken as "serious" demo pages for using HTML to display Items, swatches, number lists, and stylesheets apart from being expected to contain any real philosophy or politics education. you probably figured this idea out after you read a few pages but some people can be a bit dense the first time they see things. no hard feelings, I just don't have a lot of time to document things after making everything and I'm tired.

Motifs (season 1)

618. Q618/Q618 some are more equal than others / "you're gray blobs just like me!" "actually, we're the grayest and the blobbiest!"

Motifs (A new wish)

618. Q618/Q618 I wish for unlimited wishes
618. Q618/Q618 paradoxical wish statement -> used to prove that Cookie can't "get quick results" on everything.
618. Q618/Q618 what you call magic I call unexplained science -> yeah, I like this character already. I wonder what he would say about the whole fairy armageddon thing though
618. Q618/Q618 authoritarianism as defective wish ball -> so, every experimental thing they did on this show was okay except for this. Cookie is indescribably funny even though most of the jokes in the episodes were just not. this... oh boy. I will sometimes read historical Marxist texts for fun and laugh at them for very specific reasons you'd understand if you saw them, so it's not like I think political scenarios are inherently unfunny. honestly, I love to make terrible jokes about inappropriately inserting PG-rated mature themes in kids' settings, stuff like Communist revolutions in Pokémon is hilarious. but this was not funny specifically because it's wrong. it's just incorrect. it's like.... Trump, or in this case, suspicious cybertruck lady, represents an entire body of individuals who all want things. so what should really have happened is more like, I don't know, the whole fairy armageddon plot got reversed and we find out some fairies are making humans do stuff for them, and it happened because when they defeated the darkness the power went to their head and they became the new oppressors. Jorgen is presumably not on the side of that because this is a cartoon, it can be a little flat with its morality and keep the good characters good. it would.... actually be kind of a fun plot if he was angry specifically because Cosmo and Wanda failing would mean that Hazel had to go... shine a million boots for the dark fairy army. the main characters are Black, we don't want the implications of this to be too bad. this would be a cool plot, when various kids are getting captured and assigned to dumb tasks and they have to figure things out. fairy Zionism. they can't quit while they're ahead and they become the evil empire that's convinced it's oppressed. can you imagine.
     there would also be the implication that this would be looming over the background of every episode too, which would be very unlike the original show and in that way would be fun.
     motif appears in: this, Wish.
618. Q618/Q618 Black character overshadowed by pop star / main character suddenly overshadowed by Black pop star (sense) -> the motif of a somewhat normal Black character suddenly getting overshadowed by an unexpected Black pop star character that may have appeared in a sidekick type of role etc but is making everything difficult. I say pop star because... they look a little more like mainstream pop than hip hop for instance? or R&B, which existed, but like, these characters look like they came from maybe somewhere between the 80s and today, not the 30s.
     I have no idea where this trope came from and what celebrities it would be referencing but I have to admit it's funny.
     I... hmm. I am trying to think of any other time this happened in anything. Sardonyx? yeah actually. in that case there's kind of just Garnet and the inhuman looking Gems but if Connie or someone is standing there (she's Indian/Indic American. I know) Sardonyx unexpectedly takes over everything. I think that's the same even though who's the main character doesn't really matter there.
618. Q618/Q618 science fair -> non-fictional motif; mainly here for Wavebuilder combinations. not a lot to say except I had a terrible memory flash through my head of school never really teaching me the actual principles of science and always being bad at science fairs and any non-science problem-solving tasks that I'd apply scientific methods to now, and my relatives only judged me for it like if I hated myself more I'd be better at science. I mean, they were sadly right, I am a lot better at science now I want to die every day, and every time I perform labor of any kind or try to solve a coding or philosophy problem it all feels like an apology nobody will ever accept. I'm the second rung above perfectionist now where I have to not just do things right but do them better than other people at my specific level (which may be low) without potentially learning them wrong from guides at my level that didn't do them right because I'm always subliminally afraid everyone else will say 'you're doing that all wrong, you should have magically known the right way to do that' and rightfully take them away from me no matter how small the things are and leave me sitting in a ditch doing nothing except being afraid of people and pondering ways to end my life (pronounced censored).

Subjective themes

618. Q618/Q618 One example of a Christian value is Good and Evil, taken totally out of context and put in the context of any secular fantasy book -> apparently one of the thoughts that went into this show. [2] the Christian publication that reported on it may be overstating things. but I do believe this much is accurate. the attitude this show takes toward magic and wishes is very unusual and intriguing out of context, but put in this context it actually makes a lot more sense. oh, so this is just one of the versions of Christianity that is actually reasonable and that isn't incomprehensible on a logical level and completely grating to interact with. I thought that didn't even exist and it only existed when I jokingly made it up!
     I'm angry at today's Christians but I like this show. maybe partly because it isn't the things I'm mad at.
618. Q618/Q618 A few bad events happening does not mean morality is not real / A few bad events happening does not mean there is no God (sense) -> I used to have a big problem with this statement when it had God in it but honestly, if you delete God then it's much more likely to be true.
618. Christian who got tired of working at corporation as proletariat and left to found independent business making Christian products -> Scott Cawthon, Butch Hartman. I don't know how significant this motif is but it's weird it happened twice.

Related

618. Reading about the history of Trotskyism is more likely to lead you to the one true religion than reading the Christian bible ->
     one of those propositions that is really funny when abbreviated to the point it doesn't make sense. okay... now I have to unpack it.
     a few Christians are against fictional media, but many Christians actually believe that fictional media taking place in overall what should be an entirely secular context versus Christianity can teach people Christian values. (out of those two, I do like that latter perspective better in everyday life, even if it raises a lot of questions.) so... said another way, you can learn as much from fantasy books as from the bible. but if you can learn as much from fantasy books as from the bible, you can learn as much from history books as from the bible, if not a bit more than from fantasy books. the conclusion that follows is that you can learn more from a stack of history books about the history of Trotskyism than you can from the bible. this conclusion sounds a little absurd to somebody who hasn't already been looking into this, but after having done that, I do think it's true. I think one of the most obvious things you learn is that Trotskyism totally breaks most definitions of morality or cosmic Good, but I think you also learn something from that.
     I think part of why this proposition is fun is there's a tiny little logical fallacy buried in the middle where I conflate moral "knowledge" on various different conceptions of ethics with Materialist "knowledge", but even though that's technically a category error, it really doesn't make any difference because either kind of knowledge can attempt to describe the same historical events.

Ideologies or fields

618. Q618/Q618 Fy (pronounced F.Y.) / urban fantasy
618. Q618/Q618 HAS (pronounced Hass) / Christian media