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== Main entries ==
== Main entries ==
{{HueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean">
{{Hue|style=HueCSS/v1|ff1=DFy}}
{{li|I=Z1/Fy|Q=76,17|Q2=7617}}{{game|Deltarune|E=Q7617}}


</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6901" data-dimension="Z">Deltarune Chapter 1
{{li|start=y|I=Z1/Fy|Q=76,17|Q2=7617}}{{game|Deltarune|E=Q7617}}
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6902" data-dimension="Z">Deltarune Chapter 2
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6903" data-dimension="Z">Deltarune Chapter 3
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6904" data-dimension="Z">Deltarune Chapter 4
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6905" data-dimension="Z">Deltarune Chapter 5 (unreleased)
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6906" data-dimension="Z">Deltarune Chapter 6 (unreleased)
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6907" data-dimension="Z">Deltarune Chapter 7 (unreleased)
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6908" data-dimension="S">further Deltarune chapters / Deltarune chapter 0  ->  Deltarune chapters which are not listed on the chapter select screen. currently hypothetical.
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6909" data-dimension="S">Deltarune chapter and save menus  ->  filling a slot with something slightly important.
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6910" data-dimension="S">Deltarune credits sequence  ->  we can strongly guess there will be one looking at Undertale and the "gallery" window. whether it's at all important is the question. it might not be important at all. or there might be exactly one interesting credits presentation trope that makes it not totally useless to code here.


</li></ol>
{{li|I=Z1/Fy|Q=76,17|Q2=7617}}{{game|Deltarune}} chapters / {{TTS|tts=Q76-17 CH|Q76,17-CH}} {{9k|RD|Q7617-CH}}
 
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== Related games ==
== Related games ==
<ol class="hue clean">
{{Hue|ff1=DFy}}


</li><li data-qid="76,16" value="7616" class="field_fantasy" data-dimension="Z"><cite>[[Ontology:Q7616|Undertale]]</cite>
{{li|start=y|I=Z1/Fy|Q=76,16|Q2=7616}}<cite>[[Ontology:Q7616|Undertale]]</cite>


</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="Z">{{game|Breath of Fire}}
{{li|I=Z1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618}}{{game|Breath of Fire}}


</li></ol>
{{li|I=Z1/Fy|Q=65,60|Q2=6560}}{{game|Brandish}}
 
{{li|I=Z1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618}}Kingdom Hearts - Roxas {{YouTube|VlS_544ZXtE}} <!-- {{9k|RD|Q618}} -->
 
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== Characters ==
== Characters ==
<ol class="hue clean field_horror">
{{Hue|ff1=DFy}}


{{li|start=y|I=S1/UTDR/DFy|Q=66,23|Q2=6623}}Noelle Holiday / ({{9k|RD/Q66,23}})
{{li|start=y|I=S1/UTDR/DFy|Q=66,23|Q2=6623}}Noelle Holiday {{9k|RD|Q66,23}}


{{li|I=S1/UTDR/DFy|Q=69,12|Q2=6912}}Dess Holiday / December Holiday / ({{9k|RD/Q69,12}})
{{li|I=S1/UTDR/DFy|Q=69,12|Q2=6912}}Dess Holiday / December Holiday {{9k|RD|Q69,12}}


{{li|I=S1/UTDR/WD66|Q=66,90|Q2=6690}}[[E:Q6690|The Roaring Knight]] / ({{9k|RD/Q66,90}})
{{li|I=S1/UTDR/WD66|Q=66,90|Q2=6690}}[[E:Q6690|The Roaring Knight]] {{9k|RD|Q66,90}}


</li></ol>
{{li|I=S1/UTDR|Q=65,32|Q2=6532}}Asgore ({{game|Deltarune}}) {{9k|RD|Q65,32}}
 
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== Miscellaneous ==
== Miscellaneous ==
<ol class="hue clean">
{{Hue|ff1=DFy}}


</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Fy onto ES" value="618" data-dimension="S">if I don't get out of this small town I'll be stuck working at ICE-E's Pizza
<li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Fy onto ES" value="618" data-dimension="S">if I don't get out of this small town I'll be stuck working at ICE-E's Pizza


</li><li class="field_horror" data-tradition="Fy, UTDR" value="618" data-dimension="S">old scholars greyed by research forgotten / "Old scholars, greyed by research forgotten" {{YouTube|XvHyMlyYuYo}}  ->  this line has to be more important than it seems, specifically because of the word "greyed". it normally has to do with age, but within the dark sanctuary it almost certainly refers to Goners of some kind. it comes up in the same chapter as Gerson going from being normal-dead to being a Goner in the context of a Dark World. it comes up in the vague vicinity of the room of organ monks that are all stone, which I feel like it's referring to. this line weirdly implies they were trying to learn something they weren't supposed to know. but there's only one stated way to become a Goner, which is leaving a Dark World. so there are only a few things you could be attempting to learn. A) what's beyond your world B) how to survive the Roaring personally C) how to stop the Roaring
</li><li class="field_horror" data-tradition="Fy, UTDR" value="618" data-dimension="S">old scholars greyed by research forgotten / "Old scholars, greyed by research forgotten" {{YouTube|XvHyMlyYuYo}}  ->  this line has to be more important than it seems, specifically because of the word "greyed". it normally has to do with age, but within the dark sanctuary it almost certainly refers to Goners of some kind. it comes up in the same chapter as Gerson going from being normal-dead to being a Goner in the context of a Dark World. it comes up in the vague vicinity of the room of organ monks that are all stone, which I feel like it's referring to. this line weirdly implies they were trying to learn something they weren't supposed to know. but there's only one stated way to become a Goner, which is leaving a Dark World. so there are only a few things you could be attempting to learn. A) what's beyond your world B) how to survive the Roaring personally C) how to stop the Roaring
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{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618}}Light World versus Dark World ({{game|Deltarune}})
{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618}}Light World versus Dark World ({{game|Deltarune}})


</li></ol>
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== Struggle against the narrative ==
== Struggle against the narrative ==
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{{li|start=y|I=S2/ES|Q=60,77|Q2=6077}}Susie being herself can change the Prophecy / ([[User:RD/9k/Q6077|9k]])
{{li|start=y|I=S2/ES|Q=60,77|Q2=6077}}Susie being herself can change the Prophecy / ([[User:RD/9k/Q6077|9k]])


</li></ol>
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== Psychoanalysis ==
== Psychoanalysis ==
<ol class="hue clean">
{{Hue|ff1=DFy}}


{{li|start=y|I=S2/Aa|Q=618|Q2=618}}Jung described the subconscious as an ocean {{YouTube|5PiQpRUqhV8}}
{{li|start=y|I=S2/Aa|Q=618|Q2=618}}Jung described the subconscious as an ocean {{YouTube|5PiQpRUqhV8}}


</li></ol>
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== LGBT+ themes ==
== LGBT+ themes ==
<ol class="hue clean">
{{Hue|ff1=DFy}}


{{li|start=y|I=S1/Fy/LGBT|Q=618|Q2=618}}{{game|Deltarune}} and {{game|The Matrix}}
{{li|start=y|I=S1/Fy/LGBT|Q=618|Q2=618}}{{game|Deltarune}} and {{game|The Matrix}}
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{{li|I=S1/Fy/LGBT|Q=618|Q2=618}}lesbians versus God ({{game|Deltarune}})
{{li|I=S1/Fy/LGBT|Q=618|Q2=618}}lesbians versus God ({{game|Deltarune}})


</li></ol>
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== Theories (26/2) ==
== Theories (26/2) ==
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{{li|start=y|I=S2/Fy|class=field_horror|Q=618|Q2=618}}The red heart device is not Kris' mind or spirit (is not Kris' Soul; Deltarune) {{YouTube|SujMfaY8FG0}}  ->  I definitely think this is true but not in the ways Undertale works where you have to have one anyway. I think Souls are just not real in Deltarune even though they are in Undertale.
{{li|start=y|I=S2/Fy|class=field_horror|Q=618|Q2=618}}The red heart device is not Kris' mind or spirit (is not Kris' Soul; Deltarune) {{YouTube|SujMfaY8FG0}}  ->  I definitely think this is true but not in the ways Undertale works where you have to have one anyway. I think Souls are just not real in Deltarune even though they are in Undertale.
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{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618}}Deltarune and Wonderland / Deltarune and {{book|Alice in Wonderland}}
{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618}}Deltarune and Wonderland / Deltarune and {{book|Alice in Wonderland}}


{{li|I=S2/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618}}If the Cheshire cat is a cat that ostensibly has the power to guide you out of Wonderland, {{caps|Image_Friend}} is a guiding cat that gives no illusions of guiding you out, and only wants to guide you deeper in; this is to imply that
{{li|I=S2/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618}}If the Cheshire cat is a cat that ostensibly has the power to guide you out of Wonderland, {{caps|Image_Friend}} is a guiding cat that gives no illusions of guiding you out, and only wants to guide you deeper in


{{li|I=S2/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618}}Kris was made from the Vessel {{9k|dFRhc6fyMIw}}
{{li|I=S2/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618}}Kris was made from the Vessel {{YouTube|dFRhc6fyMIw}}


{{li|I=S2/Fy|Q=64,09|Q2=6409}}Deltarune's inner narrative contains a retcon / Deltarune's metanarrative includes its characters already having wounded, warped, or in any case {{em|modified}} its inner narrative so that the narrative the player sees when Deltarune first boots up is already not the original narrative that may have existed before the modification; this is to imply that "Gerson" knows the inner narrative can be changed because it already has been
{{li|I=S2/Fy|Q=64,09|Q2=6409}}Deltarune's inner narrative contains a retcon / Deltarune's metanarrative includes its characters already having wounded, warped, or in any case {{em|modified}} its inner narrative so that the narrative the player sees when Deltarune first boots up is already not the original narrative that may have existed before the modification; this is to imply that "Gerson" knows the inner narrative can be changed because it already has been
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the only questions are... who is the voice in the code if not Asriel? and is there evidence that Asriel was still around after Dess disappeared?
the only questions are... who is the voice in the code if not Asriel? and is there evidence that Asriel was still around after Dess disappeared?


{{li|I=S1/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618}}I'm going to parade their body around town (Chapter 5) / Asgore is going to parade their body around town (censored title) / {{i|don't forget, I'll hit you with my car}} (generic) {{YouTube|utscUy515YM}}  ->  I'm pretty sure this is an Asgore killed Dess joke. the Knight appears to just be a body, so if Asgore carried it around people would think he killed Dess. amazing. I wonder if toby knew about the deer car song. {{YouTube|utscUy515YM}} he clearly made something more closely adapted to the lore than that but...?
{{li|I=S2/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618}}Alphys' theme contains leitmotifs about Determination / Alphys' leitmotif is not her own {{YouTube|2mAoenE9v1s}}  ->  this is why it turned up in the bird theme and the basement themes. and why it seems to halfway show up in the battle theme. that one would be a coincidence except that the battle theme and the other themes {{em|might}} be connected by Determination
 
{{li|I=S1/Fy/LGBT|Q=618|Q2=618}}fluffy ears — you should try it some time {{YouTube|h3sdnnYxJaA}}  ->  very good catch. I think there are a {{em|lot}} of hints that Kris being trans is set up on some kind of parallel track to Dess being trans and they are both going through some kind of process of "stepping outside the matrix" and learning to transform themselves, or resisting it
 
{{li|I=S2/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618}}Ralsei is basically Kairi ({{game|Deltarune}}, {{game|Kingdom Hearts}}) {{9k|RD|Q6669}}


</li></ol>
{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=61,72|Q2=6172}}{{film|Haruhi Suzumiya}} and Deltarune {{9k|RD|Q61,71}}


== Ideologies or fields ==
{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618}}fallen stars verse


<ol class="hue clean compound">
{{li|I=S2/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618}}The "fallen stars" verse is a creation myth / The "fallen stars" verse is a creation myth; this is evidenced by the Forgotten Man talking about the world being covered in water, and the "fallen stars" verse referencing a real-world Christian bible verse; this is not to imply that this is the full evidence or only evidence {{YouTube|0hI3Z4EKmJQ|rem=Responding to 3000 comments on my Deltarune Symbolism video pt. 1}}
{{HueDomain|Q11,71}}    <!-- en: Fy / urban fantasy -->
{{HueDomain|Q11,41/TS}} <!-- (D)Fy / trauma adventures -->
{{HueDomain|Q76,17}}   <!-- UTDR / Deltarune -->
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== Subpages ==
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== Related ==
{{Hue|ff1=DFy}}
 
{{li|start=y|I=S1/ES|Q=778|Q2=778}}freedom (top-level category) {{9k|RD|Q778}}


* [[User:RD/9k/Q76,17/log]] - gameplay notes
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== {{int:hue-prototype-trads-fields-or-works}} ==
{{Hue|ff1=DFy}}
{{li |I=S1/Fy  |Q=11,71|Q2=1171}}{{TTS|Fy|Fantasy}} / urban fantasy
{{li |I=S1/DFy |Q=11,41|Q2=1141|Q1s=TS}}{{TTS|Fy|Fiction}} / trauma adventures
{{li |I=Z1/UTDR|Q=76,17|Q2=7617}}{{TTS|UTDR|U.T.D.R.}} / Deltarune
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== Subpages ==
* [[User:RD/9k/Q76,17/log|log]] - gameplay notes
* [[EC:9k/Q76,17/division|division]] - "all the Lightner relationships will be torn apart as the world is torn apart"
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Latest revision as of 01:39, 16 October 2026

Main entries

  1. Deltarune
  2. Deltarune chapters / pronounced Q76-17 CH / (9k)

Related games

  1. Undertale
  2. Breath of Fire
  3. Brandish
  4. Kingdom Hearts - Roxas [1]

Characters

  1. Noelle Holiday / (9k)
  2. Dess Holiday / December Holiday / (9k)
  3. The Roaring Knight / (9k)
  4. Asgore (Deltarune) / (9k)

Miscellaneous

  1. if I don't get out of this small town I'll be stuck working at ICE-E's Pizza
  2. old scholars greyed by research forgotten / "Old scholars, greyed by research forgotten" [2] -> this line has to be more important than it seems, specifically because of the word "greyed". it normally has to do with age, but within the dark sanctuary it almost certainly refers to Goners of some kind. it comes up in the same chapter as Gerson going from being normal-dead to being a Goner in the context of a Dark World. it comes up in the vague vicinity of the room of organ monks that are all stone, which I feel like it's referring to. this line weirdly implies they were trying to learn something they weren't supposed to know. but there's only one stated way to become a Goner, which is leaving a Dark World. so there are only a few things you could be attempting to learn. A) what's beyond your world B) how to survive the Roaring personally C) how to stop the Roaring
  3. Monsters and humans in Deltarune are not actually filled with blood, but with Determination, because Determination (red) is the default Soul color [3] -> interesting idea. I am tempted to make a joke about Adventure Time and Marceline eating red but it isn't coming together.
  4. Susie having a healing ability is a reference to Breath of Fire [4]
  5. Your love for characters cannot save them, but taking those lessons to the real world is valuable [5] -> [...]
  6. "Determination" is a magic power in Undertale
  7. "Determination" is a magic power in Deltarune
  8. "Power" is a magic power in Deltarune
  9. "Pain" is a magic power in Deltarune
  10. "Freedom" is a magic power in Deltarune
  11. chat plays Undertale
  12. The collective unconscious in fiction is an illusion created by the fact that all the characters actually emerge from a single real mind / (9k)
  13. Light World versus Dark World (Deltarune)

Struggle against the narrative

  1. Susie being herself can change the Prophecy / (9k)

Psychoanalysis

  1. Jung described the subconscious as an ocean [6]

LGBT+ themes

  1. Deltarune and The Matrix
  2. Deltarune and closets
  3. Deltarune and eggs
  4. lesbians versus God (Deltarune)

Theories (26/2)

  1. The red heart device is not Kris' mind or spirit (is not Kris' Soul; Deltarune) [7] -> I definitely think this is true but not in the ways Undertale works where you have to have one anyway. I think Souls are just not real in Deltarune even though they are in Undertale.
  2. Kris' Soul was put inside Dess for Kris to be able to puppet the Knight and act out the Prophecy [8]
  3. Rudy Holiday donated his body to create the Roaring Knight
  4. Deltarune and Wonderland / Deltarune and Alice in Wonderland
  5. If the Cheshire cat is a cat that ostensibly has the power to guide you out of Wonderland, Image_Friend is a guiding cat that gives no illusions of guiding you out, and only wants to guide you deeper in
  6. Kris was made from the Vessel [9]
  7. Deltarune's inner narrative contains a retcon / Deltarune's metanarrative includes its characters already having wounded, warped, or in any case modified its inner narrative so that the narrative the player sees when Deltarune first boots up is already not the original narrative that may have existed before the modification; this is to imply that "Gerson" knows the inner narrative can be changed because it already has been
  8. The Shadow Crystals are Gaster's tears -> ok, depending on who Gaster is... if W.D. Gaster is Dess then it's probably true [10]
  9. There is no Asriel (Deltarune) -> I doubt it goes that far! I bet Asriel just kinda.... went nowhere, came back with memories, and is now coming back. that would definitely explain why he might skip college and glitch out of reality to find Dess.
  10. Asriel wrong-warped to college -> now that chapter 5 is out... I think we have a very plausible explanation for where Asriel went. Asriel went looking for Dess, but what he did was glitch off the map, and somewhere in the middle of the prophecy correcting itself into its second version mentioning the Roaring, the game world placed Asriel down in college as the new place the warp went to. the correction happened in the space of a few seconds, perhaps just a few moments after Dess disappeared.
    and to be fair, if Asriel and Dess disappeared at the same time, and oops, mom got a message about asriel at college mysteriously that could not have happened logically, I can see how Kris and Noelle would be horrified.
    the only questions are... who is the voice in the code if not Asriel? and is there evidence that Asriel was still around after Dess disappeared?
  11. Alphys' theme contains leitmotifs about Determination / Alphys' leitmotif is not her own [11] -> this is why it turned up in the bird theme and the basement themes. and why it seems to halfway show up in the battle theme. that one would be a coincidence except that the battle theme and the other themes might be connected by Determination
  12. fluffy ears — you should try it some time [12] -> very good catch. I think there are a lot of hints that Kris being trans is set up on some kind of parallel track to Dess being trans and they are both going through some kind of process of "stepping outside the matrix" and learning to transform themselves, or resisting it
  13. Ralsei is basically Kairi (Deltarune, Kingdom Hearts) / (9k)
  14. Haruhi Suzumiya and Deltarune / (9k)
  15. fallen stars verse
  16. The "fallen stars" verse is a creation myth / The "fallen stars" verse is a creation myth; this is evidenced by the Forgotten Man talking about the world being covered in water, and the "fallen stars" verse referencing a real-world Christian bible verse; this is not to imply that this is the full evidence or only evidence [13]

Related

  1. freedom (top-level category) / (9k)

Traditions, fields, works, or genres

  1. pronounced Fantasy / urban fantasy
  2. pronounced Fiction / trauma adventures
  3. pronounced U.T.D.R. / Deltarune

Subpages

  • log - gameplay notes
  • division - "all the Lightner relationships will be torn apart as the world is torn apart"
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