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{{li|start=y|I=S2/MX|Q=49,92|Q2=4992}}Non-molecular Trotskyism is over -> the most generous interpretation of Trotskyism. probably too generous. but very useful for getting [[EC:9k/RD/Q73|political-agorists]] to {{em|actually think for once}} | {{li|start=y|I=S2/MX|Q=49,92|Q2=4992}}Non-molecular Trotskyism is over -> <s>the most generous interpretation of Trotskyism. probably too generous. but</s> very useful for getting [[EC:9k/RD/Q73|political-agorists]] to {{em|actually think for once}} | ||
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== Molecular Trotskyism == | |||
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{{li|start=y|I=S2/MX|Q=49,92|Q2=4992}}Non-molecular Trotskyism is over / ({{9k|RD/Q90}}) -> all right, let's unpack what a molecular Trotskyism is. [[Special:PermanentLink/44345|a molecular Marxism]]:<br/> | |||
A) considers itself as a material object among other material objects that it may not be able to control<br/> | |||
B) includes a fine-grained small-scale theory (molecularized model) of the society covered by the molecular Marxism, appropriate to the stage of development society is going through<br/> | |||
C) represents historical periods as sequential or parallel material objects with the aid of small-scale models of how they cohere together, such that comprehending situations like Stalinists and Trotskyism becomes easier and more intuitive in that their behavior is comprehensible and their interactions — usually hostile in this case — are easier to understand<br/> | |||
D) has a sufficiently fine-grained and precise model of history to be able to represent different philosophical factions or different kinds of trajectories of how history develops "impartially" — here, it's more important to "eliminate prejudice" against the {{em|possible outcome}} of revisionism or counterrevolution than it is to "eliminate prejudice" against the possibility of, for instance, Stalin's Marxism or Hoxhaism being right; the idea of prejudice here is aimed at gaps in Materialist reasoning and failures to model reality, not some abstract Ideal of tolerance<br/> | |||
E) replaces nebulous Idealist models of society with material models of society so that conflicts between different groups of people or different factions become moot (hopefully.) because both groups of people are understanding the actual processes that bring people together and keep society from falling apart through the lens of material models; a molecular Marxism is supposed to be able to moot the borders between Marxism and anarchism, or somehow {{em|solve}} the border between Stalinists and Trotskyism<br/> | |||
F) acknowledges the existence of multiple theoretical tendencies or "Marxisms" in order to prepare for the day that separate tendencies or parties will fuse, that multiple areas of workers protecting themselves from empire will stand together instead of apart, and that hopefully a greater enduring structure of some kind is formed (i.e., the Communist International) that won't break apart again<br/> | |||
G) is completely [[EC:9k/RD/Q90|conscious of itself]] and its structure as either a tendency-object or workers'-state object, at least to the full extent it could possibly need to be | |||
{{li|I=S1/MX/IV|tradition=|Q=19,92|Q2=1992}}[[E:Q1992|molecular Marxism]] / molecularized Marxism / ({{9k|RD/Q90}}) -> a molecular Marxism is an [[EC:9k/RD/Q90|apparent form of Marxism]] that is also actually Marxism ... once you get a molecular Marxism, it's completely conscious of itself, or at least it's conscious of itself to the full extent it could possibly need to be. ... when Trotsky asks workers' states to understand the effect of foreign trade from capitalist countries going into the Soviet Union (for instance) and affecting its internal network of production structures, he is making a step toward meta-Marxism / molecular Marxism. ... having a good foundation for understanding the socio-economic structure of workers' states in transition, like in Marx's {{book|Capital}}, is a good step toward taking a particular Marxist movement and making it into a molecular Marxism; Marxism in general becomes meta-Marxism if you really do it right. ... | |||
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Main entry
- Non-molecular Trotskyism is over ->
the most generous interpretation of Trotskyism. probably too generous. butvery useful for getting political-agorists to actually think for once
Molecular Trotskyism
- Non-molecular Trotskyism is over / (9k) -> all right, let's unpack what a molecular Trotskyism is. a molecular Marxism:
A) considers itself as a material object among other material objects that it may not be able to control
B) includes a fine-grained small-scale theory (molecularized model) of the society covered by the molecular Marxism, appropriate to the stage of development society is going through
C) represents historical periods as sequential or parallel material objects with the aid of small-scale models of how they cohere together, such that comprehending situations like Stalinists and Trotskyism becomes easier and more intuitive in that their behavior is comprehensible and their interactions — usually hostile in this case — are easier to understand
D) has a sufficiently fine-grained and precise model of history to be able to represent different philosophical factions or different kinds of trajectories of how history develops "impartially" — here, it's more important to "eliminate prejudice" against the possible outcome of revisionism or counterrevolution than it is to "eliminate prejudice" against the possibility of, for instance, Stalin's Marxism or Hoxhaism being right; the idea of prejudice here is aimed at gaps in Materialist reasoning and failures to model reality, not some abstract Ideal of tolerance
E) replaces nebulous Idealist models of society with material models of society so that conflicts between different groups of people or different factions become moot (hopefully.) because both groups of people are understanding the actual processes that bring people together and keep society from falling apart through the lens of material models; a molecular Marxism is supposed to be able to moot the borders between Marxism and anarchism, or somehow solve the border between Stalinists and Trotskyism
F) acknowledges the existence of multiple theoretical tendencies or "Marxisms" in order to prepare for the day that separate tendencies or parties will fuse, that multiple areas of workers protecting themselves from empire will stand together instead of apart, and that hopefully a greater enduring structure of some kind is formed (i.e., the Communist International) that won't break apart again
G) is completely conscious of itself and its structure as either a tendency-object or workers'-state object, at least to the full extent it could possibly need to be - molecular Marxism / molecularized Marxism / (9k) -> a molecular Marxism is an apparent form of Marxism that is also actually Marxism ... once you get a molecular Marxism, it's completely conscious of itself, or at least it's conscious of itself to the full extent it could possibly need to be. ... when Trotsky asks workers' states to understand the effect of foreign trade from capitalist countries going into the Soviet Union (for instance) and affecting its internal network of production structures, he is making a step toward meta-Marxism / molecular Marxism. ... having a good foundation for understanding the socio-economic structure of workers' states in transition, like in Marx's Capital, is a good step toward taking a particular Marxist movement and making it into a molecular Marxism; Marxism in general becomes meta-Marxism if you really do it right. ...
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- / dialectical materialism
- / Trotskyism