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Animal Farm

Shared motifs

Russian Revolution according to Trotskyists
/ (9k)
Trotsky counterpart / (9k)
pigs aren't supposed to stand / pigs aren't supposed to stand up -> why is this a motif both in Animal Farm and in Pokémon news discourse. it really is, and it's like, weirdly the same. only small connotations are different.
Pig state / (9k) -> the motif of a bureaucratic state overtaken by "greedy" and "oppressive" figures.
Pigs theory / (9k)

Motifs (2026)

Animal Farm
(2026)
Trotsky counterpart (female) / (9k) -> notable: this movie cast Snowball as female because it got a trans actor. when I first saw it I was like, do people know about Krupskaya and Sedova and want to reference them or something?? do we have a Rosa Luxemburg fan, like...? no. I overthought things like always.
Animal Farm is about fascism -> I have some choice words about how wrong this is. but they're probably on other entries already, it's not worth it to put them here.
generalized dictator + Animal Farm = Animal Farm is about fascism.
Animal Farm is about modernism -> ah yes... that notorious, horrific, and completely elusive ideology / political system that is supposedly everywhere but that nobody can define.
corporations as people-farms -> I think it's an ordinary "small businesses versus big businesses" push in this context.

Theories

Animal Farm (2026) was written for China -> this idea is crazy but it's one of the only things that might actually explain it. someone somehow miraculously learned about discourses in China (that happened over two decades ago to be honest) where some people were upset about the country opening up to foreign capital, and fixed a movie for China in the most unusual way, actually rewriting the plot instead of just censoring out gay people and whatnot. I might be overthinking this... but the thought of US screenwriters having to learn about Deng Xiaoping Thought is just so funny.
option 2 is that nobody was thinking about China, and the writers just genuinely started to sympathize with the notion of the Soviet Union getting besieged by foreign capital without knowing that's what they're doing. that honestly sounds way more far-fetched to me.

Subjective themes

Animal Farm is backhandedly true / Animal Farm was a good metaphor for the wrong reasons
A Pig state isn't the end of the world / A Pig state is not the end of the world / Orwell handed Russians (Russians; Ukrainians; etc) to butcher knives / Animal Farm is a reality where George Orwell saw an effort to take a living, breathing, thinking ethnic group and cut them up with butcher's knives and eat them and didn't think it was worth it to do everything to resist that ->
when you think about it hard enough, Animal Farm's setting should make the choice to stick to Bolshevism way easier rather than any harder. it really says something about the people who would read or write a book like this when they can't see it as arguing Marxism by accident.
Trotskyist reading of Animal Farm -> the concept of reading Animal Farm as an argument for international permanent revolution.
Animal Farm tells Trotsky's story / "Trotsky was expelled from Bolshevik society" is the only accurate historical statement made by Animal Farm, not excluding other tiny "accuracies", but not taking away from all the inaccuracies -> even that one is on thin ice, but I have to grant it because the graphic novel version of the book was all right and through all its omissions kind of accidentally focused on the struggles of the animals more. it's funny how often people misremember the book as being positive toward the farm animals and their struggle to be free, and it seems like a little of that sneaks into every single adaptation. I might have hated this book if I only had the prose. but the more I see people "misinterpret" it and accidentally make it more historically accurate, the more I'm willing to meet it in the middle and use it as a teaching tool about how Trotsky found the Soviet Union terribly disorienting, but he didn't have the answers on how to fix it, but you can sympathize with his suffering if you want to.
corporations as people-farms / all corporations as people farms / all corporate products as people-farm milk or people-farm eggs / soylent green is people (meta-Marxism) -> the motif of casting every case of corporate owners (Tory allies) herding people into microhierarchy to "prevent crimes" or "create order" as an act of farming people like cattle; an act of replacing violent wild packs of animals that snarl at each other for challenging the patriarchs or stick each other with their antlers with a peaceful herd of animals that is exploited and consumed by the farmer, occasionally kicked or stuffed into one cramped building, and all of the animals are human beings.
corporations as people-farms + Animal Farm = Animal Farm is backhandedly true.

Animal Farm is not a kids' book (Orwell) -> I think that's rather debatable when it's repeatedly been taught in schools. the teachers' pages say... 9th grade? that's about. 14. so you could argue it's Young-Adult, pretty fairly. but honestly a lot of Young Adult books are colloquially called children's books, Harry Potter notably. it really depends on what you mean by children.

Ideologies or fields

pronounced Fiction / anticommunist fables
pronounced Ag. / agorism
pronounced B.M. / postmodernism (philosophy)
pronounced D.X. / strawberry Socialisms
pronounced D.X. / Khruschevism-Dengism (meta-Marxism)
pronounced D.X. / Khruschevite era (Soviet Union, 1956-1991)
pronounced Fourth / Russian Revolution according to Trotskyists
pronounced Fourth / permanent revolution (Trotskyism)

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-{{li|start=y|I=S1/Fy|Q=618}}pigs aren't supposed to stand / pigs aren't supposed to stand up  ->  why is this a motif both in {{book|Animal Farm}} and in Pokémon news discourse. it really is, and it's like, weirdly the same. only small connotations are different.
+{{li|start=y|I=S1/IV|Q=49,17|Q2=4917|h4 = Russian Revolution according to Trotskyists }} / ({{9k|RD/Q49,17}})
+{{li|I=S1/DFy|Q=84,44|Q2=8444}}Trotsky counterpart / ({{9k|RD/Q84,44}})
+{{li|I=S1/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618}}pigs aren't supposed to stand / pigs aren't supposed to stand up  ->  why is this a motif both in {{book|Animal Farm}} and in Pokémon news discourse. it really is, and it's like, weirdly the same. only small connotations are different.
+{{li|I=S1/DX|Q=40,38|Q2=4038}}Pig state / ([[User:RD/9k/Q28,92|9k]])  ->  the motif of a bureaucratic state overtaken by "greedy" and "oppressive" figures.
+{{li|I=S1/IV|Q=40,37|Q2=4037}}Pigs theory / ([[User:RD/9k/Q28,92|9k]])
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+{{li|start=y|I=Z1/Ag|Q=618|Q2=618|h4= {{film|Animal Farm}} }} (2026)
+{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=84,44|Q2=8444}}Trotsky counterpart (female) / ({{9k|RD/Q84,44}})  ->  notable: this movie cast Snowball as female because it got a trans actor. when I first saw it I was like, do people know about Krupskaya and Sedova and want to reference them or something?? do we have a Rosa Luxemburg fan, like...? no. I overthought things like always.
-{{li|start=y|I=Z1/Ag|Q=618|Q2=618|h4= {{book|Animal Farm}} }} (2026)
+{{li|I=F2/LR|tradition=|Q=618|Q2=618}}Animal Farm is about fascism  ->  I have some choice words about how wrong this is. but they're probably on other entries already, it's not worth it to put them here.<br />
+generalized dictator + Animal Farm = Animal Farm is about fascism.
+{{li|I=S2/BM|tradition=|Q=618|Q2=618}}Animal Farm is about modernism  ->  ah yes... that notorious, horrific, and completely elusive ideology / political system that is supposedly everywhere but that nobody can define.
+{{li|I=S1/ES|tradition=|Q=55,75|Q2=5575}}corporations as people-farms  ->  I think it's an ordinary "small businesses versus big businesses" push in this context.
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 == Theories ==
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-== Related ==
+{{li|start=y|I=S2/MX/DX|tradition=MX onto DX|Q=618|Q2=618}}{{film|Animal Farm}} (2026) was written for China  ->  this idea is crazy but it's one of the only things that might actually explain it. someone somehow miraculously learned about discourses in China (that happened over two decades ago to be honest) where some people were upset about the country opening up to foreign capital, and fixed a movie for China in the most unusual way, actually rewriting the plot instead of just censoring out gay people and whatnot. I might be overthinking this... but the thought of US screenwriters having to learn about Deng Xiaoping Thought is just so funny.<br />
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+option 2 is that nobody was thinking about China, and the writers just genuinely started to sympathize with the notion of the Soviet Union getting besieged by foreign capital without knowing that's what they're doing. that honestly sounds way more far-fetched to me.
+</li></ol>
-<li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="LR" value="618" data-dimension="F2">Animal Farm (2026)<br />
+== Subjective themes ==
-notable: this movie cast Snowball as female because it got a trans actor. when I first saw it I was like, do people know about Krupskaya and Sedova and want to reference them or something?? do we have a rosa luxemburg fan, like...? no. I overthought things like always.
+<ol class="hue clean  {{int:hue-ixn-classname-ML}} {{int:hue-ixn-classname-DFy}}">
-</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="LR" value="618" data-dimension="F2">Animal Farm is about fascism  ->  I have some choice words about how wrong this is. but they're probably on other entries already, it's not worth it to put them here.<br />
+{{li|start=y|I=S2/MX/IV|tradition=MX onto ML, IV|Q=55,73|Q2=5573}}{{book|Animal Farm}} is backhandedly true / Animal Farm was a good metaphor for the wrong reasons
-generalized dictator + Animal Farm = Animal Farm is about fascism.
-</li><li class="field_gramsci" data-tradition="MX onto DX" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Animal Farm (2026) was written for China  ->  this idea is crazy but it's one of the only things that might actually explain it. someone somehow miraculously learned about discourses in China (that happened over a decade ago to be honest) where some people were upset about the country opening up to foreign capital, and fixed a movie for China in the most unusual way, actually rewriting the plot instead of just censoring out gay people and whatnot. I might be overthinking this... but the thought of US screenwriters having to learn about Deng Xiaoping Thought is just so funny.<br />
+{{li|I=S2/DX|Q=40,39|Q2=4039}}A Pig state isn't the end of the world / A Pig state is not the end of the world / Orwell handed Russians (Russians; Ukrainians; etc) to butcher knives / {{book|Animal Farm}} is a reality where George Orwell saw an effort to take a living, breathing, thinking ethnic group and cut them up with butcher's knives and eat them and didn't think it was worth it to do everything to resist that  -><br/>
-option 2 is that nobody was thinking about China, and the writers just genuinely started to sympathize with the notion of the Soviet Union getting besieged by foreign capital without knowing that's what they're doing. that honestly sounds way more far-fetched to me.
+when you think about it hard enough, {{book|Animal Farm}}'s setting should make the choice to stick to Bolshevism way easier rather than any harder. it really says something about the people who would read or write a book like this when they can't see it as arguing Marxism by accident.
-</li><li class="field_trotsky" data-tradition="Zv" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Animal Farm is not a kids' book (Orwell)  ->  I think that's rather debatable when it's repeatedly been taught in schools. the teachers' pages say... 9th grade? that's about. 14. so you could argue it's Young-Adult, pretty fairly. but honestly a lot of Young Adult books are colloquially called children's books, Harry Potter notably. it really depends on what you mean by children.
+{{li|I=S1/Fy/IV|Q=43,93|Q2=4393}}Trotskyist reading of {{book|Animal Farm}}  ->  the concept of reading Animal Farm as an argument for [[EC:9k/RD/Q43,92|international permanent revolution]].
-</li><li class="field_ML" value="5573" data-dimension="S2">{{book|Animal Farm}} is backhandedly true / Animal Farm was a good metaphor for the wrong reasons
+{{li|I=S2/IV|tradition=MX onto IV|Q=55,74|Q2=5574}}Animal Farm tells Trotsky's story / "Trotsky was expelled from Bolshevik society" is the only accurate historical statement made by {{book|Animal Farm}}, not excluding other tiny "accuracies", but not taking away from all the inaccuracies  ->  even that one is on thin ice, but I have to grant it because the graphic novel version of the book was all right and through all its omissions kind of accidentally focused on the struggles of the animals more. it's funny how often people misremember the book as being positive toward the farm animals and their struggle to be free, and it seems like a little of that sneaks into every single adaptation. I might have hated this book if I only had the prose. but the more I see people "misinterpret" it and accidentally make it more historically accurate, the more I'm willing to meet it in the middle and use it as a teaching tool about how Trotsky found the Soviet Union terribly disorienting, but he didn't have the answers on how to fix it, but you can sympathize with his suffering if you want to.
-</li><li class="field_mdem" data-tradition="MX onto IV" value="5574" data-dimension="S2">Animal Farm tells Trotsky's story / "Trotsky was expelled from Bolshevik society" is the only accurate historical statement made by {{book|Animal Farm}}, not excluding other tiny "accuracies", but not taking away from all the inaccuracies  ->  even that one is on thin ice, but I have to grant it because the graphic novel version of the book was all right and through all its omissions kind of accidentally focused on the struggles of the animals more. it's funny how often people misremember the book as being positive toward the farm animals and their struggle to be free, and it seems like a little of that sneaks into every single adaptation. I might have hated this book if I only had the prose. but the more I see people "misinterpret" it and accidentally make it more historically accurate, the more I'm willing to meet it in the middle and use it as a teaching tool about how Trotsky found the Soviet Union terribly disorienting, but he didn't have the answers on how to fix it, but you can sympathize with his suffering if you want to.
+{{li|I=S1/MX|tradition=|Q=55,75|Q2=5575}}corporations as people-farms / all corporations as people farms / all corporate products as people-farm milk or people-farm eggs / soylent green is people (meta-Marxism)  ->  the motif of casting every case of corporate owners (Tory allies) herding people into microhierarchy to "prevent crimes" or "create order" as an act of farming people like cattle; an act of replacing violent wild packs of animals that snarl at each other for challenging the patriarchs or stick each other with their antlers with a peaceful herd of animals that is exploited and consumed by the farmer, occasionally kicked or stuffed into one cramped building, and all of the animals are human beings.<br />
+corporations as people-farms + {{book|Animal Farm}} = {{book|Animal Farm}} is backhandedly true.
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-== Ideologies or fields ==
+== Related ==
-<ol class="hue clean  field_exstruct field_horror">
+<ol class="hue clean  {{int:hue-ixn-classname-ML}} {{int:hue-ixn-classname-DFy}}">
-{{li|start=y|I=S1/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618}}{{TTS|Fy|Fiction}} / anticommunist fables
+{{li|start=y|I=S2/Zv/LR|tradition=LR|Q=618|Q2=618}}Animal Farm is not a kids' book (Orwell)  ->  I think that's rather debatable when it's repeatedly been taught in schools. the teachers' pages say... 9th grade? that's about. 14. so you could argue it's Young-Adult, pretty fairly. but honestly a lot of Young Adult books are colloquially called children's books, Harry Potter notably. it really depends on what you mean by children.
-{{li|I=S1/ES|Q=618|Q2=618}}{{TTS|Ag}} / agorism
+</li></ol>
+== Ideologies or fields ==
+<ol class="hue clean  {{int:hue-ixn-classname-ML}} {{int:hue-ixn-classname-DFy}}">
+{{li|start=y
+    |I=S1/DFy|Q=  10,84|Q2= 1084}}{{TTS|Fy|Fiction}} / anticommunist fables
+{{li|I=S1/ES |Q=  53,42|Q2= 5342}}{{TTS|Ag|Ag.}} / [[EC:9k/RD/Q53,42|agorism]]
+{{li|I=S1/BM |Q=  51,85|Q2= 5185}}{{TTS|BM|B.M.}} / postmodernism (philosophy)
+{{li|I=S0/DX |Q=  23,55|Q2= 2355}}{{TTS|DX|D.X.}} / [[EC:9k/RD/Q90|strawberry Socialisms]]
+{{li|I=S1/DX |Q=    618|Q2=  618}}{{TTS|DX|D.X.}} / Khruschevism-Dengism (meta-Marxism)
+{{li|I=Z1/DX |Q=20,0,18|Q2=20018}}{{TTS|DX|D.X.}} / Khruschevite era (Soviet Union, 1956-1991)
+{{li|I=S1/IV |Q=  49,17|Q2= 4917}}{{TTS|IV|Fourth}} / Russian Revolution according to Trotskyists
+{{li|I=S1/IV |Q=  43,92|Q2= 4392}}{{TTS|IV|Fourth}} / [[EC:9k/RD/Q43,92|permanent revolution]] (Trotskyism)
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