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What is analyzed is accounted for
/ To take documents "into consideration" does not mean to take them at their face value. Marx has said that it is impossible to judge either parties or peoples by what they say about themselves. [...] If, for example, we began to take as pure gold the innumerable proclamations of [... Kronstadt] we would have to recognize these gentlemen as fervent friends of socialism. But in reality they are its perfidious enemies (Trotsky 1938) [1]
... fervent perfidious enemies -> ~~oh god Trotsky's most ironic quote. fervent perfidious enemies..... I don't know how to tell you this....~~
fervent perfidious enemies
-> the motif of anarchists, revisionist Marxists, or ~~strawberry, orange, etc~~ incorrect Marxist theorists saying something terribly ironic that easily reads as a criticism of them but that they haven't reflexively applied to their own theories or practice.

this does not cover all hypocritical statements anyone has ever made. it must be correlated with a physical failure or dissolution of a Socialist organization and an unawareness of what will lead to that failure.
case of: logical contradiction / oxymoron; type of philosophical tendency
fervent perfidious enemies -> number "84" in reference to "doublespeak" (1984).

Every incorrect progressive theory produces irony / (9k)
Marxist errors invite capitalism
Revolutionaries do not include Tony Cliff / (9k)
versioning Communist Internationals like software packages / (9k)
fervent perfidious enemies / betrayals by leadership (generic) / (9k) -> this is usually a talking point for Marxists but... I swear there's also such a thing as Liberal-republican betrayals, within the framework of Liberal-republicanism. maybe there isn't any such thing as Liberal-republican successes, but either way, the other side of things is bizarrely the same.
The failed promises of bourgeois revolution are the failed functioning of a physical system / (9k)

Traditions, fields, or works

pronounced Fourth / Trotskyism
pronounced Fourth / The New International
pronounced Fourth o'er A / Hue and Cry Over Kronstadt (Trotsky 1938)
pronounced M.X. o'er E-S / ironic philosophies
pronounced E-S / Tony Cliff
pronounced A / anarchism (1900-1953)

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-{{li|start=y|I=S2/IV|tradition=ML, IV, MX|Q=42,92|Q2=4292|rem=42,84|h4= What is analyzed is accounted for }} / To take documents "into consideration" does not mean to take them at their face value. Marx has said that it is impossible to judge either parties or peoples by what they say about themselves. [...] If, for example, we began to take as pure gold the innumerable proclamations of [... Kronstadt] we would have to recognize these gentlemen as fervent friends of socialism. But in reality they are its perfidious enemies (Trotsky 1938) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1938/01/kronstadt.htm]  ->  oh god Trotsky's most ironic quote. fervent perfidious enemies..... I don't know how to tell you this....
+{{li|start=y|I=S2/IV|tradition=IV oer A, ML, MX|Q=42,92|Q2=4292|rem=42,84|h4= What is analyzed is accounted for }} / To take documents "into consideration" does not mean to take them at their face value. Marx has said that it is impossible to judge either parties or peoples by what they say about themselves. [...] If, for example, we began to take as pure gold the innumerable proclamations of [... Kronstadt] we would have to recognize these gentlemen as fervent friends of socialism. But in reality they are its perfidious enemies (Trotsky 1938) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1938/01/kronstadt.htm]
-{{li|I=S1/IV|tradition=IV, Zv|Q=42,84|Q2=4284}}fervent perfidious enemies  ->  the motif of revisionist Marxists or strawberry, orange, etc incorrect Marxist theorists saying something terribly ironic that easily reads as a criticism of them but that they haven't reflexively applied to their own theories or practice.
+{{li|I=S1/MX/ML|tradition=MX, ML|Q=42,92|Q2=4292}}... fervent perfidious enemies ->  <s>oh god Trotsky's most ironic quote. fervent perfidious enemies..... I don't know how to tell you this....</s>
+{{li|I=S1/DX|tradition=Zv|Q=42,84|Q2=4284|h4= fervent perfidious enemies }}  ->  the motif of anarchists, revisionist Marxists, or <s>strawberry, orange, etc</s> incorrect Marxist theorists saying something terribly ironic that easily reads as a criticism of them but that they haven't reflexively applied to their own theories or practice.<br/>
+this does not cover all hypocritical statements anyone has ever made. it must be correlated with a physical failure or dissolution of a Socialist organization and an unawareness of what will lead to that failure.<br/>
+case of:  logical contradiction / oxymoron; type of philosophical tendency
+{{li|I=S1/DFy|Q=42,84|Q2=4284}}fervent perfidious enemies  ->  number "84" in reference to "doublespeak" ({{book|1984}}).
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+{{li|start=y|I=S2/MX|Q=44,91|Q2=4491}}Every incorrect progressive theory produces irony {{9k|RD|Q44,91}}
+{{li|I=S2/IV|tradition=MX, IV, IV onto DX, IV onto LR|Q=41,83|Q2=4183}}Marxist errors invite capitalism
+{{li|I=S2/IV|tradition=|Q=42,79|Q2=4279}}Revolutionaries do not include Tony Cliff {{9k|RD|Q49,48}}
+{{li|I=S1/IV/MX|tradition=|Q=4,1,1,1|Q2=4111}}versioning Communist Internationals like software packages {{9k|RD|Q4,1,1,1}}
+{{li|I=S1/MX/LR|tradition=MX onto LR|Q=42,84|Q2=4284}}fervent perfidious enemies / betrayals by leadership (generic) {{9k|RD|Q55,56}}  ->  this is usually a talking point for Marxists but... I swear there's also such a thing as Liberal-republican betrayals, within the framework of Liberal-republicanism. maybe there isn't any such thing as Liberal-republican successes, but either way, the other side of things is bizarrely the same.
+{{li|I=S2/MX|tradition=|Q=29,67|Q2=2967}}The failed promises of bourgeois revolution are the failed functioning of a physical system {{9k|RD|Q55,56}}
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+{{li|I=Z1/IV|Q=   618|Q2= 618}}{{TTS|IV|Fourth}} / {{book|The New International}}
+{{li|I=Z1/IV|Q=   618|Q2= 618}}{{TTS|IV » A|Fourth o'er A|title=Trotskyism oer anarchism}} / {{article|Hue and Cry Over Kronstadt}} (Trotsky 1938)
+{{li|I=S1/MX/LR|Q=44,91|Q2=4491}}{{TTS|MX » ES|M.X. o'er E-S|title=meta-Marxism oer bourgeois philosophies}} / ironic philosophies
+{{li|I=Z1/ES|Q= 49,48|Q2= 4948}}{{TTS|ES|E-S}} / [[EC:9k/RD/Q49,48|Tony Cliff]]
+{{li|I=S1/A |Q=20,026|Q2=20026}}{{TTS|A|A}} / [[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand/20k|anarchism]] (1900-1953)
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