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== 20,000 - 30,000 ==
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{{li|I=S2/MN|tradition=|Q=17,001|Q2=17001}}Germany is a Third World country (1843) / {{i|In France, partial emancipation is the basis of universal emancipation; in Germany, universal emancipation is the {{i|lang=la|conditio sine qua non}} of any partial emancipation}} (Marx 1843) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/intro.htm] / Germany contains industrialization, but at the same time Germany is a country without any true ruling class capable of leading the empire, so it is the kind of country that will only form a republic through the class below all ruling classes / {{i|Germany can emancipate itself from the Middle Ages only if it emancipates itself at the same time from the partial victories over the Middle Ages}} (Marx)  -><br/>
I might be projecting things a little bit but that really {{em|sounds}} like Marx is placing 1843 Germany in the position of the 1900s Soviet Union, and like he is proposing something like "combined development". I knew there was weird stuff going on in Germany, that Nazi Germany didn't come from nowhere, and that Germany had become a First World country at some unclear time before 2020. it's nice to have an actual point in time for Germany apparently being in a Third-World condition before getting to East Germany or Liberal-republicanism.<br/>
Germany is so important, not for its successes (which there were tragically few of) but simply for its distinct periods of development. there is so much that fantasy authors could learn by studying Germany specifically in periods other than the Nazi period
 
{{li|I=S2/MN|tradition=|Q=17,001|Q2=17001}}{{i|Germany can emancipate itself from the Middle Ages only if it emancipates itself at the same time from the partial victories over the Middle Ages}} (Marx)  ->  well if that isn't an explicit declaration Germany is still partly in feudalism... that is definitely what he is {{em|saying}}, whether or not it's accurate.
 
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<li data-qid="20,000" value="20000" class="field_exstruct" data-dimension="S">stream of consciousness / free association / ([[User:RD/9k/Q20000|9k]])
<li data-qid="20,000" value="20000" class="field_exstruct" data-dimension="S">stream of consciousness / free association / ([[User:RD/9k/Q20000|9k]])
</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-qid="20,001" value="20001" data-dimension="Z">North America (1600-)  ->  the continent doesn't change much but it has been different since the arrival of European empires
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</li><li class="number_empty" data-qid="20,025" value="20025" data-dimension="Z">??
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</li><li class="number_empty" data-qid="20,026" value="20026" data-dimension="Z">??
 
{{li|I=S1/A|Q=20,026|Q2=20026}}anarchism (Soviet Union region, 1900-1953) {{9k|RD|Q42,84}}
 
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</li><li class="number_empty" data-qid="20,028" value="20028" data-dimension="Z">??
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Latest revision as of 10:48, 23 October 2026

17,000 - 19,000 [edit]

This range can be used for fine-grained statements about historical periods or events.

  1. Germany is a Third World country (1843) / In France, partial emancipation is the basis of universal emancipation; in Germany, universal emancipation is the conditio sine qua non of any partial emancipation (Marx 1843) [1] / Germany contains industrialization, but at the same time Germany is a country without any true ruling class capable of leading the empire, so it is the kind of country that will only form a republic through the class below all ruling classes / Germany can emancipate itself from the Middle Ages only if it emancipates itself at the same time from the partial victories over the Middle Ages (Marx) ->
    I might be projecting things a little bit but that really sounds like Marx is placing 1843 Germany in the position of the 1900s Soviet Union, and like he is proposing something like "combined development". I knew there was weird stuff going on in Germany, that Nazi Germany didn't come from nowhere, and that Germany had become a First World country at some unclear time before 2020. it's nice to have an actual point in time for Germany apparently being in a Third-World condition before getting to East Germany or Liberal-republicanism.
    Germany is so important, not for its successes (which there were tragically few of) but simply for its distinct periods of development. there is so much that fantasy authors could learn by studying Germany specifically in periods other than the Nazi period
  2. Germany can emancipate itself from the Middle Ages only if it emancipates itself at the same time from the partial victories over the Middle Ages (Marx) -> well if that isn't an explicit declaration Germany is still partly in feudalism... that is definitely what he is saying, whether or not it's accurate.

20,000 - 30,000 [edit]

After this point, entries may be created in any order without worrying what number they are; putting entries on specific meaningful numbers is encouraged but absolutely not required. To keep track of already taken numbers, you may use Category:Ontology_entries_by_number.

  1. stream of consciousness / free association / (9k)
  2. North America (1600-) -> the continent doesn't change much but it has been different since the arrival of European empires
  3. Mexico (2000s)
  4. Canada (2000s)
  5. United States (2000s)
  6. Europe (2000s)
  7. Germany (2000s)
  8. West Germany (date?)
  9. East Germany (date?)
  10. Weimar Republic (date?) -> note: Nazi Germany already has entry Q14,88
  11. United Kingdom (2000s)
  12. Ireland (2000s) -> there have been a few different transformations where Ireland was or wasn't part of the United Kingdom; it's not always been one way or the other.
  13. England (2000s)
  14. European Union (2000s)
  15. Iraq (2000s)
  16. Iran (2000s)
  17. Russian Empire (??-1917) / (9k)
  18. early Soviet Union (1917-1953) / (9k)
  19. late Soviet Union (1953-1991) / (9k)
  20. Russia (1991-) / new Russian empire / (9k)
  21. early China (1949-1970) / (9k)
  22. China (1970-) / People's Republic of China (PRC) / (9k)
  23. Taiwan (1970-)
  24. post-Soviet United States (1991-) / late United States (1991-2016) (sense) / (9k)
  25. ??
  26. ??
  27. anarchism (Soviet Union region, 1900-1953) / (9k)
  28. ??
  29. ??
  30. ??
  31. ??
  32. Hungarian Soviet Republic (1919-1919) / (9k)
  33. ??
  34. ??
  35. Soviet Union during Lenin (1917-1925) / (9k)
  36. Stalin era (1925-1953) / (9k)
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