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== Main entry == | == Main entry == | ||
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{{li|start=y|I=S1/ML|Q=384|Q2=384}}chains (Marxism) -> this is an unexpectedly complex signifier that seems simple to everybody and then turns out to have many layers and many complexities and be terribly easy to misinterpret while there is actually a completely different thing it was supposed to mean.<br/> | {{li|start=y|I=S1/ML|tradition=MN, ML, DX|Q=384|Q2=384}}chains (Marxism) -> this is an unexpectedly complex signifier that seems simple to everybody and then turns out to have many layers and many complexities and be terribly easy to misinterpret while there is actually a completely different thing it was supposed to mean.<br/> | ||
overall, it's a very bad metaphor if it was meant to communicate anything. I think this one word "chains" has brought a surprisingly great portion of all the misinterpretations of Marxism in existence. | overall, it's a very bad metaphor if it was meant to communicate anything. I think this one word "chains" has brought a surprisingly great portion of all the misinterpretations of Marxism in existence. | ||
{{li|I=S1/ML|Q=384|Q2=384}}losing chains / you have nothing to lose but your chains (generic) / {{QSense|3|84|S=CM}} | {{li|I=S1/MN|tradition=MN, ML|Q=384|Q2=384}}losing chains / you have nothing to lose but your chains (generic) / {{QSense|3|84|S=CM}} | ||
{{li|I=S1/ | {{li|I=S1/MN|tradition=MN|Q=384|Q2=384}}a class with radical chains (generic) / {{QSense|3|84|S=RC}} | ||
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== "Suffering in general" == | |||
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{{li|start=y|I=S1/MN|tradition=MN, ML, IV|Q=40,80|Q2=4080}}universal suffering / a sphere which has a universal character by its universal suffering and claims no particular right because no particular wrong, but wrong generally, is perpetuated against it (Marx 1844, {{book|Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right}}) / a class with radical chains -><br/> | |||
oh boy. I am almost positive some people in Western Marxism have interpreted this totally wrong. you have to understand that the concept of "suffering" here means something oddly specific and isn't just any suffering at all, and the reason the statement is interesting is that it's saying that a highly specific form of suffering still applies to everybody.<br/> | |||
let's see... hang on... okay I've got a B-side analogy. is your cat a member of the proletariat??? if you were a Western-Marxist talking about 'worker compression' or 'how Jungian psychoanalysis and repression define the proletariat' you'd be pretty much implying that. Marx isn't implying that. | |||
{{li|I=S1/MN|tradition=MN, ML, IV|Q=40,80|Q2=4080}}universal suffering -> note: Marx quite literally means the physical bond of capital and what capital is doing as an object. I just rediscovered that today and suddenly felt like "wow, I've been stupid" because I talk about 'chunk competition' all the time but I rarely stop and distinguish how it changes things for it to be refined into capital per se. yes, there's a small difference and it makes all the difference. | |||
{{li|I=S1/W|Q=38,05|Q2=3805}}worker compression (Western-Marxism) -> the motif of claiming that all human beings experiencing suffering or empathy and all workers experiencing working-class suffering are the exact same thing and there are no differences whatsoever between them, such that there is an implication that every single human being is currently a worker. | |||
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{{li|start=y|I=S1/ML|tradition=ML, W|Q=40,84|Q2=4084}}wage slavery / slave class of workers (Marx) {{9k|RD|Q40,84}} | |||
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Latest revision as of 20:06, 20 October 2026
Main entry
- chains (Marxism) -> this is an unexpectedly complex signifier that seems simple to everybody and then turns out to have many layers and many complexities and be terribly easy to misinterpret while there is actually a completely different thing it was supposed to mean.
overall, it's a very bad metaphor if it was meant to communicate anything. I think this one word "chains" has brought a surprisingly great portion of all the misinterpretations of Marxism in existence. - losing chains / you have nothing to lose but your chains (generic) / Q3,84-CM
- a class with radical chains (generic) / Q3,84-RC
"Suffering in general"
- universal suffering / a sphere which has a universal character by its universal suffering and claims no particular right because no particular wrong, but wrong generally, is perpetuated against it (Marx 1844, Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right) / a class with radical chains ->
oh boy. I am almost positive some people in Western Marxism have interpreted this totally wrong. you have to understand that the concept of "suffering" here means something oddly specific and isn't just any suffering at all, and the reason the statement is interesting is that it's saying that a highly specific form of suffering still applies to everybody.
let's see... hang on... okay I've got a B-side analogy. is your cat a member of the proletariat??? if you were a Western-Marxist talking about 'worker compression' or 'how Jungian psychoanalysis and repression define the proletariat' you'd be pretty much implying that. Marx isn't implying that. - universal suffering -> note: Marx quite literally means the physical bond of capital and what capital is doing as an object. I just rediscovered that today and suddenly felt like "wow, I've been stupid" because I talk about 'chunk competition' all the time but I rarely stop and distinguish how it changes things for it to be refined into capital per se. yes, there's a small difference and it makes all the difference.
- worker compression (Western-Marxism) -> the motif of claiming that all human beings experiencing suffering or empathy and all workers experiencing working-class suffering are the exact same thing and there are no differences whatsoever between them, such that there is an implication that every single human being is currently a worker.
"Wage slavery"
- wage slavery / slave class of workers (Marx) / (9k)
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- / meta-Marxism
- / Trotskyism
- / Communist party aesthetics
- / Communist manifesto (1848)
- / Western Marxism
- / Western-Marxist distortions
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- non-slaves, don your chains (MDem 4.3 scrap)