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{{li|start=y|I=S1/ML/ES|tradition=ML onto ES, IV onto ES|Q=618}}initial bourgeois class rule / molecular scale bourgeois class rule (meta-Marxism) / bourgeois class rule (happening at small scales as part of civil society) -> this is so difficult to name distinctively in words although it's really intuitive as a concept. this is the concept of the bourgeoisie {{em|practically}} exerting control over an area — through their territories, security forces, or whatever special means are inherently available to them to rule people — before they are able to form a formal government, with the formal Liberal republic or similar soon to follow but not there yet. (perhaps hundreds of years ago 'Greek city state' could have been a possible type of "formal bourgeois government", when you only had the very earliest forms of capitalism. now you get Liberal-republicanism.)<br/> | |||
realistically I'd guess this could be a process that takes place over years and doesn't happen "instantly" in a tiny stretch of time. after all, when the United States decided to wildly and recklessly expand west, the isolated producers went in one by one and it took them some amount of time to consolidate an empire in any particular spot. for the anarchists: this is an interaction between an area of tribal society and an area of bourgeoisie that would like to form a dictatorship-of-the-bourgeoisie. the consequences are tragic. {{em|this means}} that the bourgeoisie are [[E:Is an alien attack earth's social construct?|not something to be messed with, and a really bad omen]]. writing an academic thesis and thinking you'll change the world by changing people's minds is the opposite of understanding that. | |||
{{li|I=S1/ML/ML|tradition=ML, IV|Q=618}}initial proletarian class rule / molecular-scale proletarian class rule (meta-Marxism) / proletarian class rule (happening at small scales as part of civil society) -> it's harder to have this than initial bourgeois class rule but at select times in history it can go through. factors leading to the 'breakthrough' include a consolidated group of proletarians that's great in number, or a party extending over a nationwide area that sticks together to the end. (by a nationwide area, I mean an area approximately as big as Russia or China. in Europe, that might be a 20-nations area. but the very minimum size might be approximately as big as Germany. Portugal could be too small for all we know. but there may be no upper limit if humanity eventually invents governments that get thinner as bigger ones come to be. sci-fi multi-planet governments might be the only thing that's too big to exist.) | |||
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Revision as of 10:06, 12 May 2026
Motif
- The State and Revolution (Lenin 1918/1920) [1]
Motifs or claims
- initial bourgeois class rule / molecular scale bourgeois class rule (meta-Marxism) / bourgeois class rule (happening at small scales as part of civil society) -> this is so difficult to name distinctively in words although it's really intuitive as a concept. this is the concept of the bourgeoisie practically exerting control over an area — through their territories, security forces, or whatever special means are inherently available to them to rule people — before they are able to form a formal government, with the formal Liberal republic or similar soon to follow but not there yet. (perhaps hundreds of years ago 'Greek city state' could have been a possible type of "formal bourgeois government", when you only had the very earliest forms of capitalism. now you get Liberal-republicanism.)
realistically I'd guess this could be a process that takes place over years and doesn't happen "instantly" in a tiny stretch of time. after all, when the United States decided to wildly and recklessly expand west, the isolated producers went in one by one and it took them some amount of time to consolidate an empire in any particular spot. for the anarchists: this is an interaction between an area of tribal society and an area of bourgeoisie that would like to form a dictatorship-of-the-bourgeoisie. the consequences are tragic. this means that the bourgeoisie are not something to be messed with, and a really bad omen. writing an academic thesis and thinking you'll change the world by changing people's minds is the opposite of understanding that. - initial proletarian class rule / molecular-scale proletarian class rule (meta-Marxism) / proletarian class rule (happening at small scales as part of civil society) -> it's harder to have this than initial bourgeois class rule but at select times in history it can go through. factors leading to the 'breakthrough' include a consolidated group of proletarians that's great in number, or a party extending over a nationwide area that sticks together to the end. (by a nationwide area, I mean an area approximately as big as Russia or China. in Europe, that might be a 20-nations area. but the very minimum size might be approximately as big as Germany. Portugal could be too small for all we know. but there may be no upper limit if humanity eventually invents governments that get thinner as bigger ones come to be. sci-fi multi-planet governments might be the only thing that's too big to exist.)
chapter 5
Ideology codes
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⧼hue-ins-domain-spacer/⧽Vladimir Lenin
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