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{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=60}}movies about humans are so boring / people are so boring... movies shouldn't have people in them
{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=60}}movies about humans are so boring / people are so boring... movies shouldn't have people in them
{{li|I=S1/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=63}}metallic rule describing Vegeta effect / Do unto cats and you'll get messed up (proposition)  ->  bucky invents exmat


{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=75}}digging up oil instead of using less oil  -> rob turns the page over when his pets unknowingly start reading the news instead of the comics. I don't know what to say about that part of it.
{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=75}}digging up oil instead of using less oil  -> rob turns the page over when his pets unknowingly start reading the news instead of the comics. I don't know what to say about that part of it.
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{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=76}}Harry Potter isn't fictitious, he's British  ->  ok but, when this strip has rare cameos of other comic strip characters how would he know what is and isn't real. Charlie Brown is repeatedly mentioned as not real but Dilbert is implied to be real by showing up in one strip
{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=76}}Harry Potter isn't fictitious, he's British  ->  ok but, when this strip has rare cameos of other comic strip characters how would he know what is and isn't real. Charlie Brown is repeatedly mentioned as not real but Dilbert is implied to be real by showing up in one strip


{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=85}}tormenting him {{em|is}} my hobby
{{li|I=S1/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=85}}tormenting him {{em|is}} my hobby
 
{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=84}}you have to eat animals or they'll just be up in our face all the time/ I should object to ignorant little creatures imposing their will on me?  ->  you know Animal Farm isn't canon because Bucky was the first one to say it


{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=94}}creative destruction (individual items)  ->  the motif of Bucky destroying collectible items because he doesn't recognize them as valuable but then deciding that if he makes a new product out of them that one must be valuable or in any event desirable to buy or have by some kind of subjective value theory.<br/>
{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=94}}creative destruction (individual items)  ->  the motif of Bucky destroying collectible items because he doesn't recognize them as valuable but then deciding that if he makes a new product out of them that one must be valuable or in any event desirable to buy or have, by some kind of subjective value theory.<br/>
this motif has come up in the strip many many times and it has never really clicked for me as inherently funny or interesting until I started asking what Bucky considers valuable and then it wrapped around to being interesting. I think he assigns some kind of economic value to specifically the act of one product displacing another product. on one hand you could make arguments that's vaguely accurate to real animals: they have no concept of value other than maybe the concept of controlling territories and thus 'value' only existing in the forms of 'mine' versus 'not mine (yet)' or how much trouble it is to take over something. on the other hand, if you read this motif through Bucky being not a cat but a repeatedly failed startup that's where it gets truly interesting. do startups actually create value or do they merely seek to destroy the value of other things so they can control value?
this motif has come up in the strip many many times and it has never really clicked for me as inherently funny or interesting until I started asking what Bucky considers valuable and then it wrapped around to being interesting. I think he assigns some kind of economic value to specifically the act of one product displacing another product. on one hand you could make arguments that's vaguely accurate to real animals: they have no concept of value other than maybe the concept of controlling territories and thus 'value' only existing in the forms of 'mine' versus 'not mine (yet)' or how much trouble it is to take over something. on the other hand, if you read this motif through Bucky being not a cat but a repeatedly failed startup that's where it gets truly interesting. do startups actually create value or do they merely seek to destroy the value of other things so they can control value?


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{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=251}}a few buses blew up; we recommend pretending to be Canadian
{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=251}}a few buses blew up; we recommend pretending to be Canadian
{{li|I=S1/ES|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=63,142}}golden rule  ->  A) brought up in relation to biting dogs B) bucky uses it to ask for money


{{li|I=S1/PT|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=144}}if you can't kill your competition for food who can you / "it says that 5% of americans live in hunger" "they should eat some spotted owls or sea turtles or something" 'a proven track record of being an easy lunch'
{{li|I=S1/PT|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=144}}if you can't kill your competition for food who can you / "it says that 5% of americans live in hunger" "they should eat some spotted owls or sea turtles or something" 'a proven track record of being an easy lunch'


{{li|I=S1/ES|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=150}}other character than Garfield saying "I hate Mondays"
{{li|I=S1/ES|Q=69,68|Q2=6968|ww=55,22-BB|pp=150}}other character than Garfield saying "I hate Mondays"


{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=151}}load-bearing idiot / "I am the {{em|foundation}} of that club" "a {{em|load-bearing}} idiot"
{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=151}}load-bearing idiot / "I am the {{em|foundation}} of that club" "a {{em|load-bearing}} idiot"


{{li|I=S1/W|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=153}}absorbing TV ads as truth / taking TV ads as literally true / you thought because an ad used the word "powerful" a TiVo would let you rule this house?
{{li|I=S1/W|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=153}}absorbing TV ads as truth / taking TV ads as literally true / you thought because an ad used the word "powerful" a TiVo would let you rule this house?
{{li|I=S1/ES |Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=63,142}}golden rule  ->  A) brought up in relation to biting dogs B) bucky uses it to ask for money
{{li|I=S1/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=63}}metallic rule describing Vegeta effect / Do unto cats and you'll get messed up (proposition)  ->  bucky invents exmat
{{li|I=S1/DFy|Q=618|Q2=618|ww=55,22-BB|pp=84}}iron rule / you have to eat animals or they'll just be up in our face all the time / I should object to ignorant little creatures imposing their will on me? / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q50,98|9k]])  ->  you know Animal Farm isn't canon because Bucky was the first one to say it


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Revision as of 01:22, 21 April 2026

Main entries

  1. Get Fuzzy [1] [2]

Books

  1. The Dog Is Not a Toy (House Rule #4) [vol.1]
  2. Fuzzy Logic [vol.2]
  3. The Get Fuzzy Experience: Are You Bucksperienced [vol.3]
  4. Blueprint for Disaster [vol.4]
  5. Say Cheesy [vol.5]
  6. Scrum Bums [vol.6]
  7. I'm Ready for My Movie Contract [vol.7]
  8. Take Our Cat, Please! [vol.8]
  9. Ignorance, Thy Name Is Bucky [vol.9]
  10. Dumbheart [vol.10]
  11. Masters of the Nonsenseverse [vol.11]
  12. Survival of the Filthiest [vol.12]
  13. The Birth of Canis [vol.13]
  14. The Fuzzy Bunch [vol.14]
  15. You Can't Fight Crazy [vol.15]
  16. Clean Up On Aisle Stupid! [vol.16]
  17. Catabunga! [vol.17]
  18. Groovitude [vol.1-2]
  19. Bucky Katt's Big Book of Fun [vol.3-4]
  20. Loserpalooza [vol.5-6]
  21. The Potpourrific Great Big Grab Bag of Get Fuzzy [vol.7-8] / Grab Bag
  22. Treasury of the Lost Litter Box [vol.9-10]
  23. The Stinking [vol.11-12]
  24. Jerktastic Park [vol.13-14]
  25. I'm Gluten Furious [vol.15-16]

Characters

  1. Bucky Katt -> horror/villain/antagonist swatch. no bright green swatch for him.

Motifs (Groovitude)

  1. Groovitude [vol.1-2]
  2. Bucky can't define bourgeoisie / Bucky Katt does not know what bourgeois means (descriptive observation) / your boo-joy minds wouldn't understand it -> not surprising; I mean, he's a cat, not a human. but this becomes more interesting the more you contrast it with later instances across the strip of him constantly trying to create questionable businesses and scam people. over time it begins to look more and more like he doesn't know what the bourgeoisie is because it's the water he's immersed in. successful or failed, it's what he's chosen to be.
  3. manual labor isn't really a cat thing
  4. Bucky, you're why I try to eat vegetarian / "I'm too tough to care about issues" "a lot of people try to protect animals from that attitude" / "that's different from your leather jacket how?"
  5. fine line separating genius and insanity / there's a fine line separating genius and insanity -> connect this to every time Bucky redefines words and attempts to use post-structuralism
  6. things mean different things to different people / "we're gonna grow fish?!" "the eggs are for eating" -> there is something to be said here about the weird way the word "meaning" is used in philosophy and how things don't just mean whatever you want them to. because eggs are material objects. mao and the rock and the chicken.
  7. I thought "don't stick forks in electrical sockets" was a figure of speech
  8. combination of statements that fails to calculate correct result / "Bucky, you were named after a guy called Buck O'Neil ... You were named after a Monarch, too" "I was named after Buck O'Neil, too?"
    combination of statements that fails to calculate correct result + Idealism = 'pataphysics.

Motifs (Big Book of Fun)

  1. Bucky Katt's Big Book of Fun [vol.3-4]
  2. newly introducing Bucky to concept of feelings / To kill a mockingbird ... I thought it was a little off topic
  3. fake smiles? the Good Morning Show must have some evil plan
  4. I've been a Yankers fan since I was a kitten
  5. movies about humans are so boring / people are so boring... movies shouldn't have people in them
  6. digging up oil instead of using less oil -> rob turns the page over when his pets unknowingly start reading the news instead of the comics. I don't know what to say about that part of it.
  7. Harry Potter isn't fictitious, he's British -> ok but, when this strip has rare cameos of other comic strip characters how would he know what is and isn't real. Charlie Brown is repeatedly mentioned as not real but Dilbert is implied to be real by showing up in one strip
  8. tormenting him is my hobby
  9. creative destruction (individual items) -> the motif of Bucky destroying collectible items because he doesn't recognize them as valuable but then deciding that if he makes a new product out of them that one must be valuable or in any event desirable to buy or have, by some kind of subjective value theory.
    this motif has come up in the strip many many times and it has never really clicked for me as inherently funny or interesting until I started asking what Bucky considers valuable and then it wrapped around to being interesting. I think he assigns some kind of economic value to specifically the act of one product displacing another product. on one hand you could make arguments that's vaguely accurate to real animals: they have no concept of value other than maybe the concept of controlling territories and thus 'value' only existing in the forms of 'mine' versus 'not mine (yet)' or how much trouble it is to take over something. on the other hand, if you read this motif through Bucky being not a cat but a repeatedly failed startup that's where it gets truly interesting. do startups actually create value or do they merely seek to destroy the value of other things so they can control value?
  10. an old magazine? how does it know what's going on now?
  11. literal object as representational art / object playing itself in art piece / turned off TV as reality show
  12. did you know a bunch of blue jays won some baseball trophy? -> some motifs are not inherently all that good by themselves but get better if you overanalyze their origins out of boredom.
  13. Harry Potter as perfect voodoo doll for putting curses on White suburbanite -> you know. probably.
  14. you can't just say that you rock, someone else has to say it
  15. Great spirits have always found opposition from mediocre minds
  16. cat world leaders (Get Fuzzy) -> this arc was.... uninteresting versus what it claimed to be. I think the best thing you can say about it is that it's an unintentionally sick burn against BRICS. the claimed political alignment of the cat leaders doesn't matter to them at all as much as cats' asserted status as 'third world countries'.
  17. we decided to live in a TV channel; this is the commercial
  18. if cats can't run, pat buchanan is the most anti-people choice
  19. a few buses blew up; we recommend pretending to be Canadian
  20. if you can't kill your competition for food who can you / "it says that 5% of americans live in hunger" "they should eat some spotted owls or sea turtles or something" 'a proven track record of being an easy lunch'
  21. other character than Garfield saying "I hate Mondays"
  22. load-bearing idiot / "I am the foundation of that club" "a load-bearing idiot"
  23. absorbing TV ads as truth / taking TV ads as literally true / you thought because an ad used the word "powerful" a TiVo would let you rule this house?
  24. golden rule -> A) brought up in relation to biting dogs B) bucky uses it to ask for money
  25. metallic rule describing Vegeta effect / Do unto cats and you'll get messed up (proposition) -> bucky invents exmat
  26. iron rule / you have to eat animals or they'll just be up in our face all the time / I should object to ignorant little creatures imposing their will on me? / (9k) -> you know Animal Farm isn't canon because Bucky was the first one to say it

Motifs (Grab Bag)

  1. The Potpourrific Great Big Grab Bag of Get Fuzzy [vol.7-8] / Grab Bag
  2. method actor
  3. you don't understand my genius / "That's more a reflection on your education than my script" / "He's not exactly playin' with a regulation deck" "he's playing Magic: the Gathering?"
  4. dogs are like the Yangtze River
  5. I'm not a cat Bucky, I'm a woman [3]
  6. it's easier to ask for antacids than to ask for permission [4] [5]
  7. The revolution will not be televised [6]

Motifs (Gluten Furious)

  1. I'm Gluten Furious [vol.15-16]
  2. if you can't kill your competition for food who can you
  3. fruit flies like a banana / smells like cologne after Allied bombing / (9k)
  4. Guerilla tactics are sneaky underhanded tricks / Che Guevara was a terrorist against world society because he led people into guerilla warfare, instead of conventional warfare, which is okay -> to be fair this comes out of bucky, but outside this comic strip it's a pretty standard position for people to have. this comic strip keeps pretending to be non-political all the time without realizing that inviting everyone in the world to come down judgingly on every particular oddly-specific individual for being inherently unlikeable as an individual actually is a political position and it's in cases like Che Guevara's battles in South America that you begin to see the consequences, if not in the huge moral panic over how "uniquely" bad Al Qaeda or whoever it will be supposedly is. Bucky's story is an attempt to make morality look harmless when in actually it causes wars and it's the reason rob ends up sitting there freaking out about the news. rob can't control Bucky by calling him immoral, they just fight. and that's basically how First World interventions work.
  5. Canadians as stupid idiot garbage trash / a kilt-wearing socialist snowman who orders donuts in french -> bucky throws around the word "liberal" at completely bizarre times and the funny thing about is that like, if usage determines the correct definition of a word then he's using it correctly. this is exactly the kind of insane definition of political factions that large portions of normal people use every day. but as you can see here it's all just weird vibes-based definitions of who belongs to a countable culture and who does not, sorted on a continuum.
    this reminds me. I can't go into atheist forums, not because I have a problem with people being 'abrasive' or ostensibly 'mean to religion' but because they have the most mind-numbing pictures of what Liberal-republicanism is and what 'liberals' and 'conservatives' are. that I cannot stand. today while trying to search around to see if darkmatter2525 had completed his book I saw two rather stupid descriptions of Liberal-republicanism. one that claimed that "the culture" (what? who? how?) was leaving Tories behind. [7] another was an article quietly justifying businesses being able to fire whatever workers they want if the workers are 'mean' or 'unreliable', and implying that the physical structure and power relations of society really don't matter if they can successfully smash individuals inside structures who are 'mean'. [8] terrible framing. absolutely terrible. when you talk like that you're making me almost wonder if you actually have a moral high ground over the bigots.
  6. What's the statute of limitations on a black cat crossing your path?

Motifs (Miscellaneous)

  1. I'm dreaming that Bucky took my piggy bank [9] -> excellent example of why "you can't know anything but your own experience" is a deepity
  2. a properly me-centric world / viewing the whole world through a proper me-centric frame / "I realized the world has never presented itself to me in anything other than a Bucky-centric way" (Get Fuzzy) [10] -> this 2008 comic strip has figured out a lesson that a lot of modern philosophers still haven't figured out
  3. dollar dollar asterisk (Get Fuzzy) [11] -> the motif of somebody, usually young people, absorbing censored media and not learning about whatever word or concept was censored. this is one of the stated use cases for censorship. the other one is to visibly distinguish between what is acceptable and what is unacceptable even though everybody already knows what's being censored.

Related

  1. subjective theory of value (right-Liberalism)
  2. Water in a desert proves the subjective theory of value -> Bucky's scams to sell dog toys back to Satchel weirdly remind me of this. like how is he defining what prices are and when things have a price tag? it has to be some crude idea like 'if I can successfully put a price tag on it it must be worth whatever I say it is' or 'if someone will pay a given price it's worth that'. and the latter is basically the subjective theory of value that some real economists unbelievably still stand by
  3. claim that Animal Farm shares a universe with another piece of media -> I love these. honestly they are one of the funniest things to me
  4. Animal Farm and Get Fuzzy take place in the same universe -> I find it odd that Stalin is mentioned by name in one of the books but there are never any jokes make about Animal Farm even as a piece of fiction. the characters are constantly shifting all discussions from people to animals, so, yeah. if there was ever an actual commentary on workers' states it would probably be with animals
    likelihood of this being true: low. I would sooner believe the one about Warriors or Kimba because of the more truly animal-centric feel of those stories where this strip is actually centered on humans even though things pets do take up most of the 'airtime' or panels or however you'd say it

Fields or ideologies

  • Fy / fiction
  • Fy / slice of life
  • ES / Henri Bergson
  • ES / anticommunism
  • W / Western Marxism