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you can't say "[[E:Human demographics are themselves the proletariat (false)|trans women are the proletariat]]" because that's not how it works. see above — if LGBT+ people form an enclave and are forced to restart society, their class position will reflect their position within the task of restarting society. so the Materialist position is to recognize that, although it's not their fault in that they didn't choose to be booted into their own tiny society, in unfavorable conditions being trans can turn you into the bourgeoisie and then you are not the proletariat even if you want to be. I feel like the correct position here is to actually treat LGBT+ islands as if they were tiny North Koreas. minus the whole constant-military thing (although the individuals do still semi-literally look out for and defend each other) they will only escape capitalism all at once as a unified whole, but also only when that self-contained coherent whole is connected to something larger. I don't like to say it but the future is kind of orange. breaking any particular continent out of capitalism involves observing the current structure of societies as small squabbling territories as opposed to big ones and breaking down the walls of those divisions that start at small scales to create bigger things where the hard walls or vast gaps of yesterday are reduced to faint seams. where religions, Liberal-republican parties, different Marxisms, little indie business territories, hostile subsections of fandoms, and various other divisions once divided people into countable populations, we have to get rid of the illusion that {{em|squabbling over}} those divisions is natural. we can't get rid of the divisions themselves because they're necessary to create larger populations where the divisions don't matter, but we have to stop this thing of particular divisions fighting over people (hello [[E:social media platforms as competitive agoras|Algorithms]]) or trying to act like they have "the right to" people or land but they both do so there's no correct answer and they both remain angry. we somehow need some "objective" way to just stop that and say, no, these are the people or this is the scope you get and that's that. ...<br/>
you can't say "[[E:Human demographics are themselves the proletariat (false)|trans women are the proletariat]]" because that's not how it works. see above — if LGBT+ people form an enclave and are forced to restart society, their class position will reflect their position within the task of restarting society. so the Materialist position is to recognize that, although it's not their fault in that they didn't choose to be booted into their own tiny society, in unfavorable conditions being trans can turn you into the bourgeoisie and then you are not the proletariat even if you want to be. I feel like the correct position here is to actually treat LGBT+ islands as if they were tiny North Koreas. minus the whole constant-military thing (although the individuals do still semi-literally look out for and defend each other) they will only escape capitalism all at once as a unified whole, but also only when that self-contained coherent whole is connected to something larger. I don't like to say it but the future is kind of orange. breaking any particular continent out of capitalism involves observing the current structure of societies as small squabbling territories as opposed to big ones and breaking down the walls of those divisions that start at small scales to create bigger things where the hard walls or vast gaps of yesterday are reduced to faint seams. where religions, Liberal-republican parties, different Marxisms, little indie business territories, hostile subsections of fandoms, and various other divisions once divided people into countable populations, we have to get rid of the illusion that {{em|squabbling over}} those divisions is natural. we can't get rid of the divisions themselves because they're necessary to create larger populations where the divisions don't matter, but we have to stop this thing of particular divisions fighting over people (hello [[E:social media platforms as competitive agoras|Algorithms]]) or trying to act like they have "the right to" people or land but they both do so there's no correct answer and they both remain angry. we somehow need some "objective" way to just stop that and say, no, these are the people or this is the scope you get and that's that. ...<br/>
is all this matrix stuff nothing but a falsely radical realization that corporations "don't have to be owned by a single person" when we've invented the petty bourgeoisie? is that it? I'd {{em|rather}} have a world where everybody was Trotskyist because this is hell.
is all this matrix stuff nothing but a falsely radical realization that corporations "don't have to be owned by a single person" when we've invented the petty bourgeoisie? is that it? I'd {{em|rather}} have a world where everybody was Trotskyist because this is hell.
{{li|I=S2/Fy/LGBT|tradition=LGBT|Q=618|Q2=618}}Superstructural fantasy worlds are inherently queer / Superstructural fantasy worlds — The Wizard of Oz, The Matrix, The Amazing Digital Circus, Deltarune — are inherently queer
{{li|I=F2/ES/LGBT|tradition=LGBT onto ML, LGBT onto IV|Q=618|Q2=618}}Superstructural fantasy worlds are inherently queer, but they are {{em|not}} inherently Communist; the queer aspects of superstructural fantasy worlds do not lead to Marxism  ->  this version is just plain false.
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  1. The Matrix (motif)
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  1. isekai story as queer metaphor -> has been applied to Wizard of Oz as well as The Matrix. [1]
    should there be a swatch for queer culture? even just on the "elements" layer of the stylesheet? I feel like all the propositions about queer identity which are distinctly neutral are a bit insulted by always being shown in blue or sometimes in charcoal when I've also started casting that very negatively. I don't think the association with Existentialism or anarchism means it's bad to be LGBT+ or to create things that primarily revolve around that — it's not bad to create a gay nightclub or a lesbian romance book or a circle of Deltarune fans just because those things "aren't Marxist" or whatever. this can get a little confusing because while it's pretty obvious to say it's not against Marxism to be Chinese or North Korean, LGBT+ identity has always been very political and has always been this weird sort of tiny national identity inherently created through the practice of anarchism, as if just like you need to read a Liberal-republican civics book to successfully be United-States you have to read an anarchist civics book to successfully be LGBT+. I think a philosophical tradition code is appropriate to reconcile this weird blend of identity and culture which is fine and intertwined politics that come along with it.
  2. LGBT+ tradition (arts, nonfiction works describing identities, etc) / LGBTQIA+ tradition -> the concept of a philosophical tradition of queer culture and queer art which includes but is absolutely not limited to academic queer theory. this Item exists basically so queer art can have a unique color swatch.
  3. The Matrix created a rift between Black people and trans people [2] -> this was brought up by anarchist types but I feel like the significance of it is different from what they imply it is. I think this is evidence that Media Representation doesn't necessarily bring people together as much as brings some people together and creates new forms of alienation for others.
  4. The internet fueled transgender rights movements by immediately connecting transgender people's Lived Experiences across space [3] -> this is simultaneously depressingly anarchist and very cool. it's this general kind of idea that led me to the Lattice model
    which provides a little insight into exactly why this movie is co-opted by reactionaries. they're getting Latticed together way across space in secret underground passages, "just like" transgender people. and yeah, that makes it quite hypocritical they so often try to act like trans people Latticing together is some kind of virus brainwashing people and corrupting the nation. you'd think that if that were true the exact same thing would be true for them.
  5. the spoon is solid until you know it's simulated / the spoon can be bent only when you know it's a simulation [4] -> this is a statement about shovel dreams, is what this is. I've... always had a bit of a problem with the concept you can just change the virtual shovel and the shovel goes away. clearly it makes sense for gender but when you write a whole poststructuralist text detached from that context it starts to make a whole lot less sense.
  6. Gender concepts don't have to refer to anything physical as much as to themselves (Baudrillard, Stryker) [5] -> this is one of the connecting threads between existentialism and structuralist linguistics, thus leading into the later periods of the Existentialist-Structuralist tradition.
    note: I think this one is neat. it's one of those things that's broadly right even if it's right for slightly incorrect reasons. the action of populations against each other sorts individuals into genders, racial groupings, and so forth; under the model of structuralist linguistics you see the words man and woman or masculine and feminine shift in relation to each other as the populations shift. so... I give this one a pass. it isn't wrong. it at least isn't wrong.

  7. you think The Matrix is trans??

    / The Matrix was wild! ...it's trans? / cis people relating to The Matrix but claiming it is not about transgender identity / cis people claiming The Matrix is about becoming a Tory but isn't about gender identity (red pill; redpilled) / (9k) -> on one hand this is gross. on the other hand, viewed from a larger context it's just really, really weird. like, can somebody be charcoal-pilled, or orange-pilled? could you go around claiming The Matrix is about becoming a Trotskyist or an anarchist but isn't about being trans? Trotskyists totally feel like the way they see the world is the real model of the world, just like Tories do. do Tories even think about that.
  8. The Matrix is actually about Trotskyism -> troll argument / jamming proposition. the claim that The Matrix is actually about realizing capitalism makes no sense and will inevitably fall into crises, while the whole world is stuck in the illusion that it won't so you have to break the whole world out of it, which leads to Trotskyism. it's funny how almost logical this is when it began as a total pronounced censored pull, more so than the Lion = Trotskyism one. I think what's so funny about it is that the whole trans erasure red pill proposition is so toxic but although this is meant to be the same thing in a different color it's more or less harmless; if Trotskyists are convinced their message is more important than a trans identity message it will probably just wrap around to them pushing parties that support trans identity anyway.
  9. Steven Universe is actually about Trotskyism / Steven Universe is definitely about Trotskyism -> this was the subject of an MDem chapter I didn't finish — one of the off-the-wall satirical "B-side" chapters. I think it works better in chapter form but this proposition can still be about the underlying concept that it's possible to argue a work into meaning utterly anything.
  10. The Matrix is actually about Trotskyism -> so... about that. how did I find the most galaxy brain interpretation of media just by rolling the dice and making something up
  11. Fantasy rulers represent capitalists / The rulers of fantasy worlds are actually capitalists -> if you squint, you see it in surprisingly a lot of works coming out recently. TADC, Deltarune, arguably The Matrix before them, The Wizard of Oz, etc.
    which makes TADC so funny because Gooseworx exploded herself twice over, and nobody talks about the first one in episode 8.
  12. Why is the Matrix motif so similar to Marxist descriptions of capitalism? / (9k) -> so, funny story, I didn't go into this show expecting it was primarily a story about gender transition, and so when it got to episode 8 I was like, there is something really weird going on with Caine. Caine controls their reality, he controls a population's perception of reality a lot like Western-Marxists like to claim "the mass media" does, or said another way, he takes a handful of living, breathing material people and makes sure they only experience reality and society through constantly being immersed in the artificial capitalist product he has created. ... there's a moment where they have a little chat about just learning to live with the way things are and accept it as "life" and then a beautiful moment where everyone but Jax decides to turn against Caine and is like, no, we don't have to accept whatever he tells us is the only possible reality. and they flat out try to banish Caine from their reality. that is hilarious. ... they banish Caine from their reality, Kinger says "I ... killed Caine". "killed". and then they start the messy process of rebuilding the Circus and figuring out what's going to happen next. why exactly is that a thing that happened on the show?? it was so... weirdly unnecessary to the A-plot of the show, it was kind of just along as a B-plot that for some reason was wonderful. but I think I can say with a reasonable amount of certainty that this was not the main point of the show. the character drama and particularly the concept of secrets are the big thing, and to show that you only need to point to the moments Caine is having a fit in his office; that's Caine's secret he kept locked inside him that's eating him up. the scene of Caine doing a therapy adventure feels like it has a literal reading and a figurative reading, the literal one is that Caine actually doesn't understand feelings but the figurative one is that he accidentally behaves like someone who shoves away their feelings and is not able to properly give therapy, which makes the trans people and lesbians subliminally upset because it's the same thing they see everywhere. so the main themes of the show are really clear, episode 8 is the only mystery.
    I definitely have my thoughts about what's going on. one straightforward theory is that the director is an anarchist. it is weirdly popular for LGBT+ movements to be anarchist in the midst of some of the deepest anticommunism you'll ever see, and even occasionally to advocate for things that would horrify them if Communists did them, for reasons I still genuinely don't understand.
    there's a particular odd connecting constellation between LGBT people, The Matrix, VRChat, furry characters, ethics adventures such as Pokémon or Steven Universe, secular animism, art commissions, petty-bourgeois philosophies (ok, those two parts of the constellation I understand), and anarchism. I have scattered thoughts on why all those things are connected but not really a complete theory. as I said on another entry, it's something like, LGBT+ people will get totally isolated and then it's like they have to start from scratch with a tiny island of people and form society all over again, and all their philosophy and understandings of the world get wildly warped because of the actual shape of their new society they're forced to study the rest of the world's societies from within. it's a really difficult position to be in and make sense of, so I'd never yell at people for this specific thing. similar to why I'm relatively lax on North Korea except when it demonstrably shows some kind of materially inaccurate understanding.
    we don't know for sure Gooseworx is an anarchist, but we do know she produced something that neatly fits into The Gay Constellation — artsy, "indie", character-driven, not furry exactly although there's one furry, VRChat style digital world, gender dysphoria versus gender euphoria, escaping narratives to find your true body or self (also seen in Undertale/Deltarune, which neatly fits into The Constellation too), and also traces of one negative part of the constellation, the notion of not being able to accept material reality or history as real and feeling like individual experiences are more real than reality (but considering episode 8 I'm not really upset about that). you can see some of the same themes reflected across The Matrix, TADC, and Deltarune, like they're all sort of slowly developing the same philosophy. so the question then becomes, what is it about this Matrix motif or genre that seems to lead so easily to "Theses on Feuerbach" and banishing Caine? what is the correlation??
    you can't say "trans women are the proletariat" because that's not how it works. see above — if LGBT+ people form an enclave and are forced to restart society, their class position will reflect their position within the task of restarting society. so the Materialist position is to recognize that, although it's not their fault in that they didn't choose to be booted into their own tiny society, in unfavorable conditions being trans can turn you into the bourgeoisie and then you are not the proletariat even if you want to be. I feel like the correct position here is to actually treat LGBT+ islands as if they were tiny North Koreas. minus the whole constant-military thing (although the individuals do still semi-literally look out for and defend each other) they will only escape capitalism all at once as a unified whole, but also only when that self-contained coherent whole is connected to something larger. I don't like to say it but the future is kind of orange. breaking any particular continent out of capitalism involves observing the current structure of societies as small squabbling territories as opposed to big ones and breaking down the walls of those divisions that start at small scales to create bigger things where the hard walls or vast gaps of yesterday are reduced to faint seams. where religions, Liberal-republican parties, different Marxisms, little indie business territories, hostile subsections of fandoms, and various other divisions once divided people into countable populations, we have to get rid of the illusion that squabbling over those divisions is natural. we can't get rid of the divisions themselves because they're necessary to create larger populations where the divisions don't matter, but we have to stop this thing of particular divisions fighting over people (hello Algorithms) or trying to act like they have "the right to" people or land but they both do so there's no correct answer and they both remain angry. we somehow need some "objective" way to just stop that and say, no, these are the people or this is the scope you get and that's that. ...
    is all this matrix stuff nothing but a falsely radical realization that corporations "don't have to be owned by a single person" when we've invented the petty bourgeoisie? is that it? I'd rather have a world where everybody was Trotskyist because this is hell.
  13. Superstructural fantasy worlds are inherently queer / Superstructural fantasy worlds — The Wizard of Oz, The Matrix, The Amazing Digital Circus, Deltarune — are inherently queer
  14. Superstructural fantasy worlds are inherently queer, but they are not inherently Communist; the queer aspects of superstructural fantasy worlds do not lead to Marxism -> this version is just plain false.

Ideologies, fields, or genres

  1. LGBT / LGBT tradition
  2. pronounced Fantasy / fiction about digital worlds
  3. pronounced Fantasy / superstructural fantasy worlds
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