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</li><li data-qid="19,67" value="1967" class="field_fantasy" data-dimension="Z"><cite>The Wonderful Wizard of Oz</cite> (1939) / land of Oz (sense) -> to me, this counts mainly because there are a handful of things in the secret world that blatantly reference the ordinary world. you have the characters with the faces of people Dorothy knew, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowardly_Lion] and on a different level you have the 'wizard of Oz' as a character loosely referencing real historical events that are sort of things that have happened in the novel too inasmuch as gold-backed currency is presumably a concept that exists and presidents presumably exist and U.S. elections have been about the same with very similar content for a long while. the story reads as the characters dreaming up a weird adventure based on elements from reality whether or not it really truly works that way, and the idea that the wizard is there at the end making stuff up and trying to make it appear real doesn't help that impression. | |||
{{li|I=S1/Fy|tradition=|Q=39,03|Q2=3903}}The Matrix (motif) / The Matrix (digital world; sense) | |||
</li><li class="field_fantasy" data-qid="66,15" value="6615" data-dimension="S">[[Ontology:Q6615|Dark World]] ({{game|Deltarune}}) | |||
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== Related == | == Related == | ||
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</li><li data-qid="19,67" value="1967" class="field_fantasy" data-dimension="Z"><cite>The Wonderful Wizard of Oz</cite> (1900) -> the movie was released in 1939. I do not know if they should be the same Item. I'll say for now you can use the same Item for either with different sense-labels. | |||
{{li|I=Z1/Fy|Q=618}}{{film|The Matrix}} (1999) | |||
{{li|I=Z1/Fy|Q=76,17|Q2=7617}}{{game|Deltarune|E=Q7617}} (2018-) | |||
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Revision as of 02:59, 28 July 2026
Main entry
- superstructural fantasy world -> any world created within the universe of a piece of fiction which comes to exist from physical objects and then involves those objects gaining consciousness or becoming a simulation of conscious people. this covers digital worlds, worlds made out of toys, stories where books are based on the physical world around them but then are real, sometimes it might cover modern fiction presenting a picture of religion where it is just religion reverse-engineered to its roots so that actual objects in reality like the earth or lightning are themselves talking and then they go back to being objects. a superstructural fantasy world is a dynamic relationship between the concept of material ideas represented very literally inside fiction and the concept of Idealist ideas represented very literally inside fiction that emerge from the material ideas.
The imaginary world
Wendy Oldbag illustrates Idealism
/ Idealism and RPG element systems / Idealism and thematic antagonisms in visual novels / (9k) -> seems tangential at first, but is actually very related to how some superstructural fantasy worlds form. they can begin with personifications of abstract concepts, which could be Death or Nature or could be "what personality a key ring has"- hypostasis (religion) / hypostasis (distillation of Father, Son, or Holy Spirit from observed universe; Christianity) [1] / separation of a linguistic sign into a character or god (linguistics); Death (figure of speech); Nature (figure of speech) / (9k)
- hypostatization (Materialism) / turning abstract Ideals into ontological objects [2] / Idealism (transforming abstract concepts into 'pataphysical entities with specific interactions with other entities; generic) / (9k)
- hyperreality (post-structuralism, postmodern philosophy) [3] / The Matrix (generic) / consumerism (replacing perception of news events or products with perceptions created by corporations) [4] -> "a cultural state of confusion between signs and symbols invented to stand in for reality, and direct perceptions" — wait, so is there any difference between hyperreality and reification? they sound like the same thing here.
- reification (Western-Marxism)
The real world
Examples
- The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (1939) / land of Oz (sense) -> to me, this counts mainly because there are a handful of things in the secret world that blatantly reference the ordinary world. you have the characters with the faces of people Dorothy knew, [5] and on a different level you have the 'wizard of Oz' as a character loosely referencing real historical events that are sort of things that have happened in the novel too inasmuch as gold-backed currency is presumably a concept that exists and presidents presumably exist and U.S. elections have been about the same with very similar content for a long while. the story reads as the characters dreaming up a weird adventure based on elements from reality whether or not it really truly works that way, and the idea that the wizard is there at the end making stuff up and trying to make it appear real doesn't help that impression.
- The Matrix (motif) / The Matrix (digital world; sense)
- Dark World (Deltarune)
Related
- The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (1900) -> the movie was released in 1939. I do not know if they should be the same Item. I'll say for now you can use the same Item for either with different sense-labels.
- The Matrix (1999)
- Deltarune (2018-)
Ideologies, fields, or genres
- / fantasy genre