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{{li|start=y|I=S2/LR/MX|tradition=MX onto LR, LR|Q=55,56|Q2=5556}}Democracy requires progress / In order for democracy to exist, progress must take place / In order for [[E:Q55,76 Liberal-republicanism|democracy]] to exist (democratic republic; republic; Liberal-republicanism; liberal democracy), progress must take place, in the sense of continuous changes (creations; abolitions; amendments) within the system, or else a democratic republic completely ceases to exist, and pre-democracy, "undemocratic" forms of society then take hold, {{em|as if democracy had never existed in the first place}} -><br/> | {{li|start=y|I=S2/LR/MX|tradition=MX onto LR, LR|Q=55,56|Q2=5556}}Democracy requires progress / In order for democracy to exist, progress must take place / In order for [[E:Q55,76 Liberal-republicanism|democracy]] to exist (democratic republic; republic; Liberal-republicanism; liberal democracy), progress must take place, in the sense of continuous changes (creations; abolitions; amendments) within the system, or else a democratic republic completely ceases to exist, and pre-democracy, "undemocratic" forms of society then take hold, {{em|as if democracy had never existed in the first place}} -><br/> | ||
I think this is a very important concept to set down and discuss before Liberal-republicans are allowed to say anything at all. because I swear there are a lot of "Liberal-republican revisionists" that exist who just like revisionist Marxists will flat-out undo and destroy their own system because they don't understand it, and regardless of any other system that exists, they completely undermine the things they themselves claim to believe in. | I think this is a very important concept to set down and discuss before Liberal-republicans are allowed to say anything at all. because I swear there are a lot of "Liberal-republican revisionists" that exist who just like revisionist Marxists will flat-out undo and destroy their own system because they don't understand it, and regardless of any other system that exists, they completely undermine the things they themselves claim to believe in. | ||
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{{li|start=y|I=S2/LR|tradition=|Q=618|Q2=618}}The only cure for a corrupt republic is returning it to its principles {{YouTube|j7ZHe4M8DP8}} -> no. because that's not how republics actually work. if republics really ran on principles nobody would ever have to vote because a handful of appointed bureaucrats who perfectly understood all the principles could pick all the officials.<br/> | |||
although. this is an absolutely hilarious addition to the "propositions that would sound worse coming out of Stalin" page. Stalin: the only cure for a corrupt republic is returning it to its principles {{i|[the NKVD hunts down everyone who doesn't have Stalinist principles in order to root out the corruption]}} | |||
{{li|I=S2/LR|Q=618|Q2=618}}The only cure for a corrupt republic is returning it to its principles -> this was brought up on a channel called "Tenth Amendment center". the Tenth Amendment is the one that limits the abilities of the central government. which begins to suggest what the channel might believe the "original principles" to be. | |||
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{{li|I=S2/MX|tradition=|Q=29,67|Q2=2967}}The failed promises of bourgeois revolution are the failed functioning of a physical system / In order to understand the "failed promises" of bourgeois revolution it is important to understand Liberal-republicanism as a complete physical system (series of physical processes; series of interacting physical objects), including its immediate superstructure (Congress, judges, etc.), although not including its solely-immaterial forms of philosophy (of ideology; of bourgeois ideology) -><br/> | {{li|I=S2/MX|tradition=|Q=29,67|Q2=2967}}The failed promises of bourgeois revolution are the failed functioning of a physical system / In order to understand the "failed promises" of bourgeois revolution it is important to understand Liberal-republicanism as a complete physical system (series of physical processes; series of interacting physical objects), including its immediate superstructure (Congress, judges, etc.), although not including its solely-immaterial forms of philosophy (of ideology; of bourgeois ideology) -><br/> | ||
the existence of "Liberal-republican revisionism" has something to do with the fact that Liberal republics are material objects and gap between Liberal-republican Idealist philosophy and the material world | the existence of "Liberal-republican revisionism" has something to do with the fact that Liberal republics are material objects and gap between Liberal-republican Idealist philosophy and the material world | ||
{{li|I=S2/LR/MX|tradition=MX onto LR|Q=618|Q2=618}}Anti-democracy revokes Cold War / The people of the United States claim that the United States is better than the Soviet Union because it has liberal democracy and freedom (Liberal-republicanism; individual freedom), therefore, if the United States did anything to {{em|destroy}} Liberal-republicanism and remove Liberal-republicanism from itself, it would be no better than the Soviet Union; it could only be either equally bad or worse (1945-2025) | |||
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Latest revision as of 02:44, 29 September 2026
Main entry
- Democracy requires progress / In order for democracy to exist, progress must take place / In order for democracy to exist (democratic republic; republic; Liberal-republicanism; liberal democracy), progress must take place, in the sense of continuous changes (creations; abolitions; amendments) within the system, or else a democratic republic completely ceases to exist, and pre-democracy, "undemocratic" forms of society then take hold, as if democracy had never existed in the first place ->
I think this is a very important concept to set down and discuss before Liberal-republicans are allowed to say anything at all. because I swear there are a lot of "Liberal-republican revisionists" that exist who just like revisionist Marxists will flat-out undo and destroy their own system because they don't understand it, and regardless of any other system that exists, they completely undermine the things they themselves claim to believe in.
Republican idealism
- The only cure for a corrupt republic is returning it to its principles [1] -> no. because that's not how republics actually work. if republics really ran on principles nobody would ever have to vote because a handful of appointed bureaucrats who perfectly understood all the principles could pick all the officials.
although. this is an absolutely hilarious addition to the "propositions that would sound worse coming out of Stalin" page. Stalin: the only cure for a corrupt republic is returning it to its principles [the NKVD hunts down everyone who doesn't have Stalinist principles in order to root out the corruption] - The only cure for a corrupt republic is returning it to its principles -> this was brought up on a channel called "Tenth Amendment center". the Tenth Amendment is the one that limits the abilities of the central government. which begins to suggest what the channel might believe the "original principles" to be.
Related
- fervent perfidious enemies / Marx has said that it is impossible to judge either parties or peoples by what they say about themselves. [...] If, for example, we began to take as pure gold the innumerable proclamations of [... Kronstadt] we would have to recognize these gentlemen as fervent friends of socialism. But in reality they are its perfidious enemies (Trotsky 1938) / betrayals by leadership (generic) / (9k) ->
this is usually a talking point for Marxists but... I swear there's also such a thing as Liberal-republican betrayals, within the framework of Liberal-republicanism. maybe there isn't any such thing as Liberal-republican successes, but either way, the other side of things is bizarrely the same. - The failed promises of bourgeois revolution are the failed functioning of a physical system / In order to understand the "failed promises" of bourgeois revolution it is important to understand Liberal-republicanism as a complete physical system (series of physical processes; series of interacting physical objects), including its immediate superstructure (Congress, judges, etc.), although not including its solely-immaterial forms of philosophy (of ideology; of bourgeois ideology) ->
the existence of "Liberal-republican revisionism" has something to do with the fact that Liberal republics are material objects and gap between Liberal-republican Idealist philosophy and the material world - Anti-democracy revokes Cold War / The people of the United States claim that the United States is better than the Soviet Union because it has liberal democracy and freedom (Liberal-republicanism; individual freedom), therefore, if the United States did anything to destroy Liberal-republicanism and remove Liberal-republicanism from itself, it would be no better than the Soviet Union; it could only be either equally bad or worse (1945-2025)