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<div style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-family: inherit; background: inherit; border: none;">completely contradictory triangle of Tory beliefs: | <div style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-family: inherit; background: inherit; border: none;">completely contradictory triangle of Tory beliefs: | ||
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if the White birth rate were the most important thing on earth, then we ought to consider it imperative to get rid of capitalism so that the carrying capacity of capitalism and the general problem of chunk competition will not stop people from having babies — although this is not a uniquely White problem and the same consideration applies to every population and every birth rate. | if the White birth rate were the most important thing on earth, then we ought to consider it imperative to get rid of capitalism so that the carrying capacity of capitalism and the general problem of chunk competition will not stop people from having babies — although this is not a uniquely White problem and the same consideration applies to every population and every birth rate. | ||
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<nowiki>*</nowiki> capital is good because a hunk of money, land, or various tools and resources is the only way to create pieces of society | |||
<nowiki>*</nowiki> government programs are bad because they misuse or throw away everyone's money. partynational programs are even worse because although they're more efficient than Menshevism they don't produce _enough_ stuff and therefore Stalin has moved from wasting money to wasting people. | |||
<nowiki>*</nowiki> "The Left" is dividing the country when it all could have been one unified patriotic nation | |||
if government programs are bad, then it means that capital isn't totally reliable at creating things. assuming capital is similar to money though not an exact synonym, you can put capital into something and there is not a 100% chance you get results, or even make money rather than lose money. if this is true of government programs, which we all know it is, it's also quite true of business territories. people speak of stock markets as gambling for a reason. putting capital into something, or even putting wages into people, doesn't always guarantee anything will be produced. | |||
if partynational programs are even worse than Liberal government programs, they're worse because they are not correctly producing and regenerating a population. but this softly contradicts the notion that Bolshevism is just "big government", and just "Menshevism but more". if Bolshevism is failing to produce enough industry, that implies it _is_ producing industry in the first place, and it _is_ producing industry in a way Menshevism is infamous for not doing, even if it is not doing this intensely enough. even if Bolshevism has not fully succeeded, it is still fundamentally doing something Menshevism could not do, theoretically making it _better_ even though it is not quite perfect or totally useful yet. if Bolshevism is taking and re-allocating the proceeds of state businesses and successfully producing _anything_ that can continue the same process in other directions, this is to say that Bolshevism is in effect throwing away everyone's money less than Menshevism does. | |||
if "The Left" is dividing the country by proposing government programs or some kind of reconstruction effort, the country is being divided because Tories want to individually secede from the population, or secede as small Filaments of connected friends. if Tories are complaining that government is bad and capital is good, what they are really trying to say is that _localized_ capital is good and _widely spread_ capital is bad — capital can surely do any number of things if you keep it inside a small city or a small network of specific businesses with only a tiny number of links in between, but if you try to connect a whole country using capital it will surely fail to regenerate itself. this, of course, creates a clear contradiction: if Tories think progressives are not patriots for walking away from the way they would like the country to be, then why are they trying to secede from the population and chop it into tiny pieces? is this not also walking away from the greater population and refusing to be a patriot? to try to think localized capital is good and patriotism to one giant republic is good is a contradiction, as much as it is a contradiction to think patriotism to one giant republic is good and loyalty to the Soviet Union is bad. any real-world giant republic has to have structure, such as a central party-nation, or at the very least a minimum commitment by all business territories to provide for the rest of the country on needs such as health care. if there is no actual material structure _creating_ "Our Democracy", then there is no patriotism, and there are no patriots. | |||
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Revision as of 01:50, 24 March 2025
* capitalism is good because it grows the population and creates jobs * immigration is bad because if people come into the population we won't have enough jobs * the White birth rate!! * see also: the South Korean birth rate!! the Japanese birth rate!!
if capitalism is so great then it should be able to handle both the problems of immigration and birth without either of them causing problems for the other. capitalism should simply be generating so many jobs we aren't even thinking about immigration or the problem of anybody not being able to have babies.
if capitalism can't handle immigration and there exists nothing better than capitalism, then the White birth rate should not be something people worry about, because if we are going to live with capitalism then we must live with capitalism's limited carrying capacity and the prospect of having a stable population with a replacement birth rate.
if the White birth rate were the most important thing on earth, then we ought to consider it imperative to get rid of capitalism so that the carrying capacity of capitalism and the general problem of chunk competition will not stop people from having babies — although this is not a uniquely White problem and the same consideration applies to every population and every birth rate.
* capital is good because a hunk of money, land, or various tools and resources is the only way to create pieces of society * government programs are bad because they misuse or throw away everyone's money. partynational programs are even worse because although they're more efficient than Menshevism they don't produce _enough_ stuff and therefore Stalin has moved from wasting money to wasting people. * "The Left" is dividing the country when it all could have been one unified patriotic nation
if government programs are bad, then it means that capital isn't totally reliable at creating things. assuming capital is similar to money though not an exact synonym, you can put capital into something and there is not a 100% chance you get results, or even make money rather than lose money. if this is true of government programs, which we all know it is, it's also quite true of business territories. people speak of stock markets as gambling for a reason. putting capital into something, or even putting wages into people, doesn't always guarantee anything will be produced.
if partynational programs are even worse than Liberal government programs, they're worse because they are not correctly producing and regenerating a population. but this softly contradicts the notion that Bolshevism is just "big government", and just "Menshevism but more". if Bolshevism is failing to produce enough industry, that implies it _is_ producing industry in the first place, and it _is_ producing industry in a way Menshevism is infamous for not doing, even if it is not doing this intensely enough. even if Bolshevism has not fully succeeded, it is still fundamentally doing something Menshevism could not do, theoretically making it _better_ even though it is not quite perfect or totally useful yet. if Bolshevism is taking and re-allocating the proceeds of state businesses and successfully producing _anything_ that can continue the same process in other directions, this is to say that Bolshevism is in effect throwing away everyone's money less than Menshevism does.
if "The Left" is dividing the country by proposing government programs or some kind of reconstruction effort, the country is being divided because Tories want to individually secede from the population, or secede as small Filaments of connected friends. if Tories are complaining that government is bad and capital is good, what they are really trying to say is that _localized_ capital is good and _widely spread_ capital is bad — capital can surely do any number of things if you keep it inside a small city or a small network of specific businesses with only a tiny number of links in between, but if you try to connect a whole country using capital it will surely fail to regenerate itself. this, of course, creates a clear contradiction: if Tories think progressives are not patriots for walking away from the way they would like the country to be, then why are they trying to secede from the population and chop it into tiny pieces? is this not also walking away from the greater population and refusing to be a patriot? to try to think localized capital is good and patriotism to one giant republic is good is a contradiction, as much as it is a contradiction to think patriotism to one giant republic is good and loyalty to the Soviet Union is bad. any real-world giant republic has to have structure, such as a central party-nation, or at the very least a minimum commitment by all business territories to provide for the rest of the country on needs such as health care. if there is no actual material structure _creating_ "Our Democracy", then there is no patriotism, and there are no patriots.