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categorical imperative (statement about ethics versus goals) / Treat people as ends / Act to treat people as ends in themselves, and not as means / Act to treat other people as a parallel to yourself, with their own inner lives, needs, and goals -> isn't this basically the same thing as the golden rule? ...oh wow the summary video said it. hmm, the other golden rule Items don't specifically invoke ends or means, this idea of specifically trying to achieve a goal and Kant telling you to not do it the worst ways. maybe this is a separate proposition.
categorical imperative + ?? = The Subject

Golden rule and siblings

Treat others as you would treat yourself / Do unto others as you would have them do unto you / Love thy neighbor as thyself (statement that may explicitly only extend to people in the same population; Christian Old Testament) [1] / golden rule / We should conduct ourselves toward others as we would have them act toward us (Aristotle) [2]
Do not treat others as you would not treat yourself / Do not do unto others as they should not do unto you / silver rule (golden inverse) / inverse golden rule / golden rule (negative) [3] [4] / We shouldn't do to anyone what we wouldn't want done to us (professional skaters' association) [5] / the whole Torah (description of Torah as summarized by inverse golden rule) [6]
Treat yourself as you would treat others / Do unto you as you do unto others / bronze rule (golden converse) [7] / converse golden rule
Treat others how they would like to be treated [8] / platinum rule
cultural relativism proposition + ?? = platinum rule. platinum rule + ?? = cultural relativism proposition.
Do as thou wilt, provided that no one else is harmed / bronze rule (generic) [9]
material golden rule, relativistic golden rule, formal golden rule [10]

Base-metal rules

Do unto others as they do unto you / brass rule [11] -> oh god that's Trotsky's rule of morality. ~~pronounced redacted~~.
Do unto others as others have done unto you / lead rule [12] -> wait what's the difference between these two
Do unto others before they do unto you / Do unto others to prevent them from doing harm unto you [13] / iron rule [14]

Kantianism / (9k)
The platinum rule alone is universal / If there's anything inherently human, it's the act of respecting countable cultures as separately-operating entities and performing to other countable cultures as different from you -> the thing about this is that if it's true, Deleuze's model of groups being inseparable multiplicities is not only wrong but bigoted. a model that can't respect China as China or early Trotskyism as early Trotskyism and begin with the concept that separable groups exist and have culture and standards is broken.
Every need for freedom emerges from physical separation or differences -> could be wrong but we have to start somewhere.
Every need for freedom emerges from physical separation or differences + ?? = The platinum rule alone is universal.

Ideologies or fields

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-<li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="IK" data-qid="50,98" value="5098" data-dimension="S2">categorical imperative (statement about ethics versus goals) / Treat people as ends / Act to treat people as ends in themselves, and not as means / Act to treat other people as a parallel to yourself, with their own inner lives, needs, and goals  ->  isn't this basically the same thing as the golden rule? ...oh wow the summary video said it. hmm, the other golden rule Items don't specifically invoke ends or means, this idea of specifically trying to achieve a goal and Kant telling you to not do it the worst ways. maybe this is a separate proposition.<br />
+{{li|start=y|I=S2/IK|Q=50,98|Q2=5098}}categorical imperative (statement about ethics versus goals) / Treat people as ends / Act to treat people as ends in themselves, and not as means / Act to treat other people as a parallel to yourself, with their own inner lives, needs, and goals  ->  isn't this basically the same thing as the golden rule? ...oh wow the summary video said it. hmm, the other golden rule Items don't specifically invoke ends or means, this idea of specifically trying to achieve a goal and Kant telling you to not do it the worst ways. maybe this is a separate proposition.<br />
 categorical imperative + ?? = The Subject
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-== Golden rule ==
+== Golden rule and siblings ==
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+{{li|start=y|I=S2/ES|Q=618|Q2=618}}Treat others as you would treat yourself / Do unto others as you would have them do unto you / Love thy neighbor as thyself (statement that may explicitly only extend to people in the same population; Christian Old Testament) [https://cteec.org/what-are-the-golden-rules/] / golden rule / We should conduct ourselves toward others as we would have them act toward us (Aristotle) [https://issuu.com/professionalskatersassociation/docs/mayjune21/s/12234833]
+{{li|I=S2/ES|Q=618|Q2=618}}Do not treat others as you would not treat yourself / Do not do unto others as they should not do unto you / silver rule (golden inverse) / inverse golden rule / golden rule (negative) [https://byteseismic.com/2024/06/12/a-history-of-golden-rules/] [https://cteec.org/what-are-the-golden-rules/] / We shouldn't do to anyone what we wouldn't want done to us (professional skaters' association) [https://issuu.com/professionalskatersassociation/docs/mayjune21/s/12234833] / the whole Torah (description of Torah as summarized by inverse golden rule) [https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-pacific-heart/202412/the-golden-rule-obsolete-relic-or-absolute-imperative]
+{{li|I=S2/ES|Q=618|Q2=618}}Treat yourself as you would treat others / Do unto you as you do unto others / bronze rule (golden converse) [https://theemotionsdoctor.com/the-golden-platinum-and-bronze-rules-working-with-others-and-dealing-with-yourself/] / converse golden rule
+{{li|I=S2/ES|Q=618|Q2=618}}Treat others how they would like to be treated [https://issuu.com/professionalskatersassociation/docs/mayjune21/s/12234833] / platinum rule<br/>
+cultural relativism proposition + ?? = platinum rule. platinum rule + ?? = cultural relativism proposition.
+{{li|I=S2/ES|Q=618|Q2=618}}Do as thou wilt, provided that no one else is harmed / bronze rule (generic) [https://allen-faulton.medium.com/the-great-rules-of-conduct-14ea2257d06a]
+{{li|I=S1/ES|Q=618|Q2=618}}material golden rule, relativistic golden rule, formal golden rule [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/09716858241263126#restricted]
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+=== Base-metal rules ===
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+{{li|start=y|I=S2/ES|Q=618|Q2=618}}Do unto others {{em|as}} they do unto you / brass rule [https://2transform.us/2005/12/14/the-metallic-rules-gold-silver-platinum/]  ->  oh god that's Trotsky's rule of morality. {{censor|shit}}.
+{{li|I=S2/ES|Q=618|Q2=618}}Do unto others as others have done unto you / lead rule [https://2transform.us/2005/12/14/the-metallic-rules-gold-silver-platinum/]  ->  wait what's the difference between these two
+{{li|I=S2/ES|Q=618|Q2=618}}Do unto others before they do unto you / Do unto others to prevent them from doing harm unto you [https://allen-faulton.medium.com/the-great-rules-of-conduct-14ea2257d06a] / iron rule [https://2transform.us/2005/12/14/the-metallic-rules-gold-silver-platinum/]
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+{{li|start=y|I=Z1/IK|Q=50,99|Q2=5099}}Kantianism / ([[User:RD/9k/Q50,99|9k]])
+{{li|I=S2/MX|Q=618|Q2=618}}The platinum rule alone is universal / If there's anything inherently human, it's the act of respecting countable cultures as separately-operating entities and performing to other countable cultures as different from you  ->  the thing about this is that if it's true, Deleuze's model of groups being inseparable multiplicities is not only wrong but bigoted. a model that can't respect China as China or early Trotskyism as early Trotskyism and begin with the concept that separable groups exist and have culture and standards is broken.
+{{li|I=S2/MX|Q=618|Q2=618}}Every need for freedom emerges from physical separation or differences  ->  could be wrong but we have to start somewhere.<br/>
+Every need for freedom emerges from physical separation or differences + ?? = The platinum rule alone is universal.
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