Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q41,91

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1. 41,91We live in a post-Trotsky world / The events of the 1930s Trotskyite conspiracy in the Soviet Union and the way First-World countries reacted to Trotsky and the conspirators have permanently changed the historical conditions in all countries but most of all in First-World countries
2. 41,91We live in a post-Trotsky world -> technically, this could also be spun as an argument that Trotsky is right.

Trotskyist angle

4104. 4104

      Trotskyism

      / (9k)
4011. 4011

      Abandon Trotsky, and Bolshevism has failed

      / If Bolshevism fails to take the educated individuals who are dedicated supporters throughout a revolution and integrate them into society such that they will not starve and can use their talents to improve society then Bolshevism has failed -> sub-case of: I'm not anticommunist but. this is about the only anticommunist argument I have ever found convincing. every anticommunist argument that wasn't Trotsky was totally confusing to me and just left me digging deeper and deeper until I saw how false every one of them was. but this is the only one that's sort of held up as I got more and more information. and it's haunted me ever since. it's easy to blame Trotsky and say he made the wrong choices. but like, what happens if he obeys? if the country is actually failing at things and every time he tries to get into a position the should theoretically be worthy of the experts just kick him out until he's standing next to the handful of peasants still starving, isn't there actually some point where he has a right to complain? that has never sat right with me. the notion that even when you build Bolshevism it could have a fraying edge where people are still shunted into a world of individualism with no support, and perhaps treated really badly for just failing to spontaneously be unbelievably excellent at things, tossed quotes about revisionism because their actual skills are not perfect. it feels like there are natural points where people simply aren't materially part of the material object called society and it makes them angry because in a world where everything is claimed by a group of human beings they don't want to be treated as not human beings.

Meta-Marxist angle

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   In the First World Trotsky is sacred

   / Most people in First-World countries consider "Stalinism" to be a real prejudice and anti-Trotskyism to be a real oppression / If you want to work with "The US Left" it is a "reality" that Stalin and the Soviet Union are a danger and your enemy / (9k)
4009. A theory of society which cannot explain the Trotskyite conspiracy is no theory of society at all -> a statement which is bold but as far as I can tell completely justified. mainstream Marxism-Leninism can't actually explain the series of events which would prevent Trotsky going to the external empires and betraying the Soviet population. early Maoism was actually closer to being able to solve this problem, even though there are still problems of people leaving countries and becoming their enemies, all of them smaller in scope than the Trotskyite conspiracy.

Ideologies or fields

1. Z–41,04 (pronounced 41,04. (Z))[IV] [Z] (pronounced (Fourth) (Z):) IV (pronounced Fourth)  /  (4104)Trotskyism (top-level category)(IV) (pronounced Fourth)1:-1:-1
2. Z–92 (pronounced 92. (Z))[MX] [Z] (pronounced (meta-) (Z):) MX (pronounced meta-)  / meta-Marxism1:-1:-1
3. S–92 (pronounced 92. (S))⧼hue-philosophy-/⧽ (pronounced ⧼hue-philosophy-tts-/⧽) (pronounced ⧼hue-philosophy-tts-/⧽) ⧼hue-ins-domain-spacer/⧽MX (pronounced meta-) onto S–41,04 (pronounced 41,04. (S))[IV] [S] (pronounced (Fourth) (S):) IV (pronounced Fourth) ⧼hue-ins-domain-spacer/⧽IV1:-1:-1

• MX onto Zv