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{{li|I=S1/MX|Q=618}}'pataphysical reduction / 'pata-reducing (by analogy to beta-reducing) -> the motif of taking something expressed wholly in abstract Ideals and reducing it down to material models based on the way Ideals already interact with each other, or explaining something material to someone starting at the level of abstract Ideals. the term "reduction" is used in the sense of evaluating a function call down to a computation, as is done in lambda calculus; it is not used in the sense of the popular misconception about science that scientists want to eliminate sideways relationships from models. they don't, if you've ever heard of special relativity.<br/> | |||
this is the real power of wave-machine logic like the logic system used on this wiki; it can start at totally phenomenological models and dig down to find material models. | |||
{{li|I=S2/MX|Q=618}}Sociality distorts human beings' view of material reality -> anarchists are going to get so upset if you try to argue this at them. they'll try to argue that reality is whatever comes naturally to living things, and different states of natural for each living species must naturally want to go together, blah blah blah. [*] but they're all privileged. they haven't experienced a state of truly being fenced out of society by thousands and millions of people that all simultaneously agree they don't like you (probably without having met you or having much of any idea what they're doing). they especially haven't experienced it owing to the existence of anarchism, because anarchism already selected for people like them. but they should wise up to the fact that anarchism doesn't really pass the veil of ignorance with flying colors. it's quite easy to end up on the wrong side of "community" where you simply have nobody and nothing and also everyone assumes you must be a bad person just because you haven't claimed an exclusive spot in Community that supposedly you only have to be nice to people to get and follow morality though in reality it's much more difficult and complicated and trivial to simply be born wrong and fail to survive the ecological parameters of the 'community-icene'. I think that as a period of biological life the Anthropocene truly began at tribal society, not at industrial society. it was the ability to form entire ecosystems made of nothing but humans that changed things, but {{em|if anarchists are correct}} that the natural state of humans and human psychology is in tribes then all the current destruction of the environment ultimately came from the characteristics of tribes. tribal populations are not wholly innocent for all the horrors of global empire and ecological destruction if at the end of the day we're {{em|all}} still tribes and they're the only ones trying to disclaim that there are bad things about that. really, as crazy as it sounds, they might be accidentally benefiting from a corrupt system that has killed great numbers of people. of course, if humans don't have a seemingly eternal resting state of being in tribes that we have no choice but to return to which in turn implies we are currently tribes in denial and will still be tribes for the next hundred thousand years, then tribal populations carry no blame for what industrial societies have done.<br/> | |||
(* why didn't they say that about workers' states and the healthy state of the Soviet Union versus the very disordered states that occurred at every moment after tearing it apart? they have even less excuse than Trotskyists. Trotskyists wilfully wanting to overwrite another Marxism with their own Marxism is at least logical even if it's terrible.) | |||
{{li|I=S2/MX|Q=618}}Social darwinism and class society are one continuous thing without a sharp boundary for where each of them begins and ends -> this is related to but not the same as the hypothesis that once societies become capitalist all classes or class territories are all just different 'windings' of a single monistic substance. that one is the 'noun', this one is the 'verb'. | |||
{{li|I=S2/MX/A|Q=618}}Deng Xiaoping Thought is a form of anarchism {{em|because}} it operates primarily on the basis of encouraging people to be part of a connected population of people aiming to get rid of division and alienation ({{a|commons|E=commons (secular animism)}}, Community, stationary Rhizome), and of sorting people into a (somewhat large) autonomous society barricaded away from global capitalism in order to stop external society from doing Evil things against it and leave Greed, the primary Evil that causes external society to attack Third World countries, to tire itself out and die; an Evil thing is here defined as an action taken to wilfully disrupt the baseline healthy functioning of another person or group of people instead of operating in harmony -> every time anarchists try to explain why anarchism is better than Marxism I absolutely can't tell the difference between their descriptions of anarchism and what people living in Deng Xiaoping Thought sound like. I think this is a problem with anarchist theories and how utterly imprecise they are. I do not really believe this specific claim is true, but I do believe that anarchists are lying about anarchism only being able to form without a State, and that there is such a thing as fully-statist anarchist nation-states akin to Liberal-republicanism or Bolshevism. considering no anarchism has been able to stay standing for more than 3 years it makes {{em|way more sense}} to me that if that problem is ever to be solved there would be a form of transitional anarchist state that turns into a stateless anarchism. when Trotskyists talk about a transitional state I believe them more than if they had talked about a global anarchism. the same goes for anarchism itself. | |||
{{li|I=S2/ES|Q=618}}Saying "indigenous people" marks a sentence as containing racial stereotypes {{YouTube|fwecpbB1DPs}} | {{li|I=S2/ES|Q=618}}Saying "indigenous people" marks a sentence as containing racial stereotypes {{YouTube|fwecpbB1DPs}} | ||
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this is how you get out of what I referred to in another entry as "Gerson Boom BS". you realize what Idealism is and how it obscures whatever non-Idealist relationships between things may exist | this is how you get out of what I referred to in another entry as "Gerson Boom BS". you realize what Idealism is and how it obscures whatever non-Idealist relationships between things may exist | ||
{{li|I=S2/ES|Q=618}}eclecticism (strawberry Materialism; combination of Idealism and Materialism) {{YouTube|Ms_ojmhI_CI}} | {{li|I=S2/ES|Q=618}}eclecticism (strawberry Materialism; combination of 'blue' Idealism and 'red' Materialism) {{YouTube|Ms_ojmhI_CI}} | ||
{{li|I=S1/ES|Q=618}}dualism (separation between Ideals and the Material) | {{li|I=S1/ES|Q=618}}dualism (separation between Ideals and the Material) | ||
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- 'pataphysical reduction / 'pata-reducing (by analogy to beta-reducing) -> the motif of taking something expressed wholly in abstract Ideals and reducing it down to material models based on the way Ideals already interact with each other, or explaining something material to someone starting at the level of abstract Ideals. the term "reduction" is used in the sense of evaluating a function call down to a computation, as is done in lambda calculus; it is not used in the sense of the popular misconception about science that scientists want to eliminate sideways relationships from models. they don't, if you've ever heard of special relativity.
this is the real power of wave-machine logic like the logic system used on this wiki; it can start at totally phenomenological models and dig down to find material models. - Sociality distorts human beings' view of material reality -> anarchists are going to get so upset if you try to argue this at them. they'll try to argue that reality is whatever comes naturally to living things, and different states of natural for each living species must naturally want to go together, blah blah blah. [*] but they're all privileged. they haven't experienced a state of truly being fenced out of society by thousands and millions of people that all simultaneously agree they don't like you (probably without having met you or having much of any idea what they're doing). they especially haven't experienced it owing to the existence of anarchism, because anarchism already selected for people like them. but they should wise up to the fact that anarchism doesn't really pass the veil of ignorance with flying colors. it's quite easy to end up on the wrong side of "community" where you simply have nobody and nothing and also everyone assumes you must be a bad person just because you haven't claimed an exclusive spot in Community that supposedly you only have to be nice to people to get and follow morality though in reality it's much more difficult and complicated and trivial to simply be born wrong and fail to survive the ecological parameters of the 'community-icene'. I think that as a period of biological life the Anthropocene truly began at tribal society, not at industrial society. it was the ability to form entire ecosystems made of nothing but humans that changed things, but if anarchists are correct that the natural state of humans and human psychology is in tribes then all the current destruction of the environment ultimately came from the characteristics of tribes. tribal populations are not wholly innocent for all the horrors of global empire and ecological destruction if at the end of the day we're all still tribes and they're the only ones trying to disclaim that there are bad things about that. really, as crazy as it sounds, they might be accidentally benefiting from a corrupt system that has killed great numbers of people. of course, if humans don't have a seemingly eternal resting state of being in tribes that we have no choice but to return to which in turn implies we are currently tribes in denial and will still be tribes for the next hundred thousand years, then tribal populations carry no blame for what industrial societies have done.
(* why didn't they say that about workers' states and the healthy state of the Soviet Union versus the very disordered states that occurred at every moment after tearing it apart? they have even less excuse than Trotskyists. Trotskyists wilfully wanting to overwrite another Marxism with their own Marxism is at least logical even if it's terrible.) - Social darwinism and class society are one continuous thing without a sharp boundary for where each of them begins and ends -> this is related to but not the same as the hypothesis that once societies become capitalist all classes or class territories are all just different 'windings' of a single monistic substance. that one is the 'noun', this one is the 'verb'.
- Deng Xiaoping Thought is a form of anarchism because it operates primarily on the basis of encouraging people to be part of a connected population of people aiming to get rid of division and alienation (commons, Community, stationary Rhizome), and of sorting people into a (somewhat large) autonomous society barricaded away from global capitalism in order to stop external society from doing Evil things against it and leave Greed, the primary Evil that causes external society to attack Third World countries, to tire itself out and die; an Evil thing is here defined as an action taken to wilfully disrupt the baseline healthy functioning of another person or group of people instead of operating in harmony -> every time anarchists try to explain why anarchism is better than Marxism I absolutely can't tell the difference between their descriptions of anarchism and what people living in Deng Xiaoping Thought sound like. I think this is a problem with anarchist theories and how utterly imprecise they are. I do not really believe this specific claim is true, but I do believe that anarchists are lying about anarchism only being able to form without a State, and that there is such a thing as fully-statist anarchist nation-states akin to Liberal-republicanism or Bolshevism. considering no anarchism has been able to stay standing for more than 3 years it makes way more sense to me that if that problem is ever to be solved there would be a form of transitional anarchist state that turns into a stateless anarchism. when Trotskyists talk about a transitional state I believe them more than if they had talked about a global anarchism. the same goes for anarchism itself.
- Saying "indigenous people" marks a sentence as containing racial stereotypes [1]
- "Social construct" is a social construct / Most of the time anarchists talk about social constructs they are trying to imply that things that are undesigned or that come out of interacting elements are deliberately engineered Ideals, but because this overall way of thinking is Idealist, it is also fair to say that anarchists are not working with a model that is well checked against reality and their theory of a given "social construct" being "constructed" is equally as made up as the "social construct" is if not more [2] -> sounds like a deepity until you realize what it's really saying and then your mind is blown
this is how you get out of what I referred to in another entry as "Gerson Boom BS". you realize what Idealism is and how it obscures whatever non-Idealist relationships between things may exist - eclecticism (strawberry Materialism; combination of 'blue' Idealism and 'red' Materialism) [3]
- dualism (separation between Ideals and the Material)