Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q50,98

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5098. Q5098/Q50,98categorical imperative (statement about ethics versus goals) / Treat people as ends / Act to treat people as ends in themselves, and not as means / Act to treat other people as a parallel to yourself or all people as parallel to each other, with their own inner lives, needs, and goals -> isn't this basically the same thing as the golden rule? ...oh wow the summary video said it. hmm, the other golden rule Items don't specifically invoke ends or means, this idea of specifically trying to achieve a goal and Kant telling you to not do that in the worst ways. maybe this is a separate proposition.
      categorical imperative + ?? = The Subject

Golden rule and siblings

618. metallic rule
618. Q618/Q618Treat others as you would treat yourself / Do unto others as you would have them do unto you / Love thy neighbor as thyself (statement that may explicitly only extend to people in the same population; Christian Old Testament) [1] / golden rule / We should conduct ourselves toward others as we would have them act toward us (Aristotle) [2]
618. Q618/Q618Do not treat others as you would not treat yourself / Do not do unto others as they should not do unto you / silver rule (golden inverse) / inverse golden rule / golden rule (negative) [3] [4] / We shouldn't do to anyone what we wouldn't want done to us (professional skaters' association) [5] / the whole Torah (description of Torah as summarized by inverse golden rule) [6]
618. Q618/Q618Treat yourself as you would treat others / Do unto you as you do unto others / bronze rule (golden converse) [7] / converse golden rule
618. Q618/Q618Treat others how they would like to be treated [8] / platinum rule
     cultural relativism proposition + ?? = platinum rule. platinum rule + ?? = cultural relativism proposition.
618. Q618/Q618platinum rule / Accept Christians who are weak in faith [...]. The one who eats everything must not belittle the one who does not ... for God has accepted him (Romans 14:1-4) / Therefore let us stop judging one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way. (Romans 14-13) [9]
618. Q618/Q618Do as thou wilt, provided that no one else is harmed / bronze rule (generic) [10]
618. Q618/Q618material golden rule, relativistic golden rule, formal golden rule [11]

Base-metal rules

618. Q618/Q618Do unto others as they do unto you [12] / Do unto others as they would do unto you / Do unto others as they would like to do unto you / Do unto others as they have done to others [13] / Do unto others as others have done unto you [14] / lead rule [15] / iron rule (generic) / brass rule (generic) [16]
618. Q618/Q618Do unto others before they do unto you / Do unto others to prevent them from doing harm unto you [17] / iron rule [18] / iron rule of sales / plutonium rule (statement that salespeople should make the first move to have control over the situation) [19]
618. Q618/Q618Do what others would "unto" / Act as others would / Do unto others as they would do in your place / leathern rule [20] -> this one is.... interesting. it's a good rule when you actually know what others want, but a bad rule when you don't. like, you do this right, you avoid creating a Trotskyite conspiracy, you do it wrong, you turn into Hillary Clinton. sometimes this is the same as the lead rule, sometimes it's the same as the platinum rule.
3667. Do not what others would not "unto" / Do not unto others what they would not decide / Do not what others would not normally-see-happen-as-a-spontaneous-event-unto-them / Do not treat others how they would not like to be treated, regardless of the existence of "you" / platinum inverse / Do not act as others would not act in your place / (9k)
618. Q618/Q618Treat others as you would in the knowledge that you may one day be them / veil of ignorance (John Rawls) [21] / plutonium rule (generic) [22] -> I never thought of the veil of ignorance as a counterpart to the golden rule but I don't know why not because they are conceptually similar.
618. Q618/Q618individual veil of ignorance / palladium rule -> I might dub this one the palladium rule because palladium is used to reset toxic substances into simpler ones. [23] [24]
618. Q618/Q618Submit all actions to God / Submit you and others' actions to God / Whatever God tells you to do you have to do instead of what anyone wants [25] / thallium rule -> this is a real piece of work. I dub this the thallium rule because it's hard to notice, durable, and deadly to all organic life including rats and people. [26] it aims to outlast everything leaving nothing but itself.
618. Q618/Q618Submit all actions to God / No, sir, I can't imagine a soft pretzel without butter; I certainly wouldn't serve you one [27]
618. nickel rule / Anything done once accumulates / Every Ideal reaches its extreme / Every Ideal reaches its extreme in some person or situation if it is practiced at all / Murphy's law (generic) / Anything not done once does not accumulate (nickel inverse) / Every Ideal not practiced does not reach its extreme (nickel inverse) / (9k)
     nickel rule + ?? = golden rule.
618. cobalt rule / Anything chosen once accumulates / Every opinion, preference, or deliberate action reaches its extreme in somebody if it is practiced at all / Anything never chosen does not accumulate (cobalt inverse) / (9k)
618. uranium rule / Do unto others as upper classes should do unto you / Don't do what you would not want uniquely privileged upper-class people to do / Do not what will filter up / Do not unto others as upper classes should not do unto you (uranium inverse) / (9k)
618. americium rule / Do unto others as lower classes should do unto you / Don't do in an upper class or position of authority what you don't want common people to do / Do not what will filter down / Don't do in an upper class or position of authority what you don't want common people to do / Do not unto others as lower classes should not do unto you (americium inverse) / (9k)

Related

5099. Q5099/Q50,99

      Kantianism

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618. atomic table of behavioral rules

     (existential materialism) / existential-materialist metallic rule / periodic table of rules (sic — they're not actually quantized or periodized; "atomic" is fine though) / (9k)
618. Q618/Q618The golden rule was meant for business as much as for other human relationships (J.C. Penney) [28] / The Golden Rule would reconcile capital and labor, all political contention and uproar, all selfishness and greed (Joseph Parker) [29] -> no no no no no.
618. Q618/Q618According to Kant we must not regard workers as a working class because using a human being for the greatest common good is a violation of equally regarding everyone as ends and not as means [30] -> and there we have it. a much more honest version of why the golden rule cannot fix labor relations.
     this is a terrible fallacy to the point of probably breaking a moral rule if we had 'golden rules' that actually covered predicting the way real people act. we can start with the cobalt rule: whatever bad thing one person does can be done by everyone. from there, you need to cover the possibility that enabling one person who does bad things means enabling all people who can replicate the same bad thing, because cobalt rule. finally we quite ironically bring out the silver rule and point out that you shouldn't let happen to absolutely everyone what you don't want happening to yourself.
     gosh yeah the second thing can be called the nickel rule. do not do unto others what you do not want happening again and again and again.
618. Q618/Q618The platinum rule alone is universal / If there's anything inherently human, it's the act of respecting countable cultures as separately-operating entities and performing to other countable cultures as different from you -> the thing about this is that if it's true, Deleuze's model of groups being inseparable multiplicities is not only wrong but bigoted. a model that can't respect China as China or early Trotskyism as early Trotskyism and begin with the concept that separable groups exist and have culture and standards is broken.
618. Q618/Q618Every need for freedom emerges from physical separation or differences -> could be wrong but we have to start somewhere.
     Every need for freedom emerges from physical separation or differences + ?? = The platinum rule alone is universal.
618. Q618/Q618God reincarnating as every consciousness in existence [31] -> that idea is such a trip
618. Q618/Q618If you forget to give the stranger your coat he was Jesus (Matthew 25:42-46) [32] -> I find very little of the bible actually useful but for some reason this is one of the things in it that has just stuck in my mind over the years. the weird concept that you must give God your coat and he is everybody. it's one of the weirdest ways to phrase the veil of ignorance and yet somehow it came first.
618. Metallic rules generate "Them" / Metallic rules generate the nebulous concept of "Them" often seen in internet news articles that does not map neatly onto a class position or real-world ethnic group but is said to have in some small way destroyed society -> the concept of "Them" is one reason I have trouble taking anarchists seriously. anarchists will go around telling you that exclusions and exceptions unite people, but they won't turn around and look back and realize that everyday people are constantly creating new clusters of exceptions that don't make sense and perhaps actually are making society worse yet are totally unidentifiable. like, Peter the anarchist thinks gay, trans, autistic, and disabled people are going to save society because they're all excluded, but Pete the trucker thinks NASA scientists, queer theorists, Jeffrey Epstein, the CDC, the Workers' Party of Korea, Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos, the leadership of Israel, and Joe Biden all belong to the same demographic that's worth excluding from society, so is that group of people going to save society? those are all people that might at some point get called "Them" and blamed for enshittifying the world. but then they'd all face prejudice, sometimes prejudice they could argue against legitimately. charcoal anarchists, blue anarchists, and orange anarchists are all anarchists in that they all formulate society based on morality and they all try to section off low ends and high ends of society that deviate from the middle, sometimes cursing the high ends, sometimes either praising or cursing the low ends. but they all end up with different "Thems", while periodically trying to act like they actually have the same "Thems" such that everyone who is an anarchist can be united against the same Bad Thems. it's all very nonsensical. none of it makes sense.
     one of the only ways to interpret all of it so that it does make sense is that anarchists are sorting out horizontally so that anarchists of a particular factional color are only allowed with a particular color and anarchists that don't fit into that countable culture will be sorted into another countable culture of another factional color where only another specific set of things is allowed. although you can see particular strata where blue or orange anarchists are kicking out the charcoal anarchists for being unlikeable low-enders and charcoal anarchists are kicking out other anarchists for being cruel high-enders, none of the islands of anarchism is based on class or recognizes class so the way they're all actually sorting is by arbitrary moral rules of what they each think is morally bad.

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