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{{li|start=y|I=S2/HAS|Q=618}}Humans possess moral and ethical discernment -> I think that statement is actually worth doubting. maybe morality is an illusion and we're all just as bad at it as an AI. | {{li|start=y|I=S2/LLM/HAS|Q=618|ww=AIParadoxDignum|pp=2}}Humans possess moral and ethical discernment -> I think that statement is actually worth doubting. maybe morality is an illusion and we're all just as bad at it as an AI. | ||
{{li|I=F2/LLM/HAS|Q=618}}Inanimate objects lack the capacity for courage, honesty, and empathy | |||
{{li|I=S2/LLM/HAS|Q=618|ww=AIParadoxDignum|pp=2}}LLMs lack the capacity for courage, honesty, and empathy -> this one is... odd. it really depends on what you define virtues and moral actions {{em|to be}}. like, there are going to be some moments where we could pull out "wizard of oz" definitions and say that even if a particular object "doesn't have a heart" it still produced results that were consistent with courage, honesty, or empathy, and deserves the Wizard's medal or diploma.<br/> | |||
let's shift the discussion over from LLMs to different kinds of inanimate objects, like political parties. a political party as a whole is inanimate; it doesn't have a unique new mind of its own. this is why Marxists speak of political parties as "superstructural" within the "base-to-superstructure" process — as a whole object, a political party is an inanimate object generated out of a group of living beings based partly on their [[E:shovel dream (meta-Marxism)|distorted experiences of being in that object]], warped by [[E:shovel (meta-Marxism)|the shape of the object they're making]] as they're in the process of making it. but although a political party is inanimate, we want it to have good values and make good decisions. if a political party makes good decisions, we consider it to have done a good thing much as we do an individual person. so do you really have to be human to have courage, honesty, or empathy? I genuinely doubt it. if Che Guevara is out there with a band of rebels trying to take back a country for the peasants, the group as a whole is inanimate, but it's hard not to say it has courage. | |||
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Revision as of 04:07, 22 April 2026
Main entry
- The AI Paradox (Dignum 2026) -> 'paradox' is one of the most clickbait words you could put in a book title. clickbait for libraries.
Motifs or claims
- Humans possess moral and ethical discernment -> I think that statement is actually worth doubting. maybe morality is an illusion and we're all just as bad at it as an AI.
- Inanimate objects lack the capacity for courage, honesty, and empathy
- LLMs lack the capacity for courage, honesty, and empathy -> this one is... odd. it really depends on what you define virtues and moral actions to be. like, there are going to be some moments where we could pull out "wizard of oz" definitions and say that even if a particular object "doesn't have a heart" it still produced results that were consistent with courage, honesty, or empathy, and deserves the Wizard's medal or diploma.
let's shift the discussion over from LLMs to different kinds of inanimate objects, like political parties. a political party as a whole is inanimate; it doesn't have a unique new mind of its own. this is why Marxists speak of political parties as "superstructural" within the "base-to-superstructure" process — as a whole object, a political party is an inanimate object generated out of a group of living beings based partly on their distorted experiences of being in that object, warped by the shape of the object they're making as they're in the process of making it. but although a political party is inanimate, we want it to have good values and make good decisions. if a political party makes good decisions, we consider it to have done a good thing much as we do an individual person. so do you really have to be human to have courage, honesty, or empathy? I genuinely doubt it. if Che Guevara is out there with a band of rebels trying to take back a country for the peasants, the group as a whole is inanimate, but it's hard not to say it has courage.
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Ideology codes
- LLM / machine learning
- HAS / humanities, arts, and social sciences
- HAS onto LLM