Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q4,1,1,1

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4111. Q4111/Q4111

      versioning Communist Internationals like software packages

      -> this is partly a joke but also at least 30% serious. if we're looking at something that's optional rather than centrally standardized, I honestly think it would make stuff like splits in Trotskyism way easier to follow if every single Trotskyist international had a specific number. I know that would probably get a little ridiculous at some point, like "4.2.3.1.5". but even that would be an improvement, I mean in chemistry there are these big long IUPAC names that are super hard to remember but are effective at condensing what are basically pictures or complicated undirected graphs into text form; it would have a similar function to that. I want to make a page of unofficial point versions for every "communist International" (that's been important, at least), both the long and unwieldy way, and maybe also a shorter way where the branched Internationals are just listed in order so you have "International 4-25", etc.
      

      one thing I'm sure of about this: there actually is an objective way to order some of these, you just record the date they were founded and order them by date, and for the ones that have distinct dates you don't have to worry too deeply about which party was better. beyond that, if two form at the same time, I think you favor groups that still exist versus groups that stopped existing, and you favor groups that stay the closest to the 'best' version of Marxism that they either don't oppose or are the closest to not opposing, mostly limited to Stalin's Marxism / Hoxhaism, and Trotskyism. that actually becomes comically easy for a second international, because you'll be able to tell very quickly which ones vaguely resemble Marxism at all and which ones absolutely don't.

Second internationals

618. Hugo Chavez and the fifth International [1] -> this sounds more like a second international to me, International Two-point-Two. but at least it's something.

Fourth internationals

4638. International 4.0 / Fourth International (1938) -> became: Q46,01 International Secretariat, Q46,02 International Committee
4602. International 4.1 / International Committee (1953) / ICFI (attempted International)
4601. International 4.2 / International Secretariat (1953) / ISFI (attempted International)

Related

618. Hugo Chavez is an opportunist (Communist Party of Venezuela) [2] -> both the PCV and the Trotskyists make interesting points and I really don't know who's right
4609. Committee for a Workers' International (defunct) / CWI (attempted International)

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