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Trotsky and/or other Trotskyist theorists are members of Leninism, so you cannot kill them
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{{li|start=y|I=S1/IV|Q=4001|Q2=4001|h4 = Stalinism }} (corruption) / Stalinism (prejudice)  ->  use to mark the concept of "Stalinism" specifically as defined in Trotskyist texts, and not in any non-Trotskyist text. if you simply gather up data on this you'll realize it refers to something much more specific than you'd think it is. "Stalin's Marxism" ('Stalin Thought', "Marxism-Leninism", "mainstream Marxism-Leninism") isn't actually the same thing as "Stalinism", even though in practice the concept of "Stalinism" <em>is</em> being used to reject Stalin's Marxism.
{{li|start=y|I=S1/IV|Q=4001|Q2=4001|h4 = Stalinism }} (corruption) / Stalinism (prejudice)  ->  use to mark the concept of "Stalinism" specifically as defined in Trotskyist texts, and not in any non-Trotskyist text. if you simply gather up data on this you'll realize it refers to something much more specific than you'd think it is. "Stalin's Marxism" ('Stalin Thought', "Marxism-Leninism", "mainstream Marxism-Leninism") isn't actually the same thing as "Stalinism", even though in practice the concept of "Stalinism" {{em|is}} being used to reject Stalin's Marxism.
 
{{li|I=S1/ML|Q=4001|Q2=4001}}Stalinism (corruption)  ->  mark it in the red swatch when it sounds like a statement from Stalin's allies.


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Abandon Trotsky, and Bolshevism has failed + Moscow Trials = this.<br/>
Abandon Trotsky, and Bolshevism has failed + Moscow Trials = this.<br/>
We live in a post-Trotsky world + ?? = this.
We live in a post-Trotsky world + ?? = this.
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== Positions or errors considered Stalinism ==
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{{li|start=y|I=F2/ML|tradition=|Q=26,75|Q2=2675}}Isolation preserves the USSR / Isolation will not kill the USSR / The USSR can perish from military intervention but never from its own isolation (Trotskyism onto Stalin & Bukharin) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1928/3rd/ti02.htm]  ->  I think if we were speaking of Stalinism as "errors away from Trotskyism", this is one of the biggest ones. Trotskyists really don't like Stalin doing anything that undermines the Fourth International, and it all starts at [[E:socialism in one country|socialism in one country]] as one of the structural elements of [[E:Stalin's Marxism|Stalinism's]] overall economic base. it seems that that country structure historically leads to strain on Communist Internationals and tears them apart period. so it only follows that Trotskyists will realize that a country structure that destroys all Communist Internationals will destroy the Fourth International and ultimately try to eliminate Trotskyism for trying to preserve it.


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Latest revision as of 07:10, 5 August 2026

Main entry

  1. Stalinism

    (corruption) / Stalinism (prejudice) -> use to mark the concept of "Stalinism" specifically as defined in Trotskyist texts, and not in any non-Trotskyist text. if you simply gather up data on this you'll realize it refers to something much more specific than you'd think it is. "Stalin's Marxism" ('Stalin Thought', "Marxism-Leninism", "mainstream Marxism-Leninism") isn't actually the same thing as "Stalinism", even though in practice the concept of "Stalinism" is being used to reject Stalin's Marxism.
  2. Stalinism (corruption) -> mark it in the red swatch when it sounds like a statement from Stalin's allies.

Moscow Trials

  1. Every Trotskyite Stalin eliminated was a Leninist [1] -> read Trotskyist talks really closely and you see the assumptions between the lines. past Trotsky and Zinoviev (? if he even was, which I usually assume he wasn't.) practically none of the Trotskyites were Leninists or "allies of the world revolution" — which, sure, they only have to be workers if the conditions are right, but knowing how many capitalists were in there, you'd have a stronger claim if they were Leninists. can you build a revolution with enough Gramscis? who knows, but if you have anything less the chances don't look good.
  2. Most members of early Trotskyism were not Leninists -> so, I've found out the ICFI has been actually dissecting Trotskyism to separate parts of it that are basically Menshevism from parts of it that can reasonably be called Leninism. it looks like I was perfectly on point with this one.
  3. [Stalin as] the great negator and principal enemy of the proletarian revolution (Breton) [2] -> this is not the same entry as "Stalin was the worst", which to me is a moral claim. this is more like a class analysis claim or a claim about whether Stalinism or Trotskyism is the real Leninism. the truth value in question here isn't "Good"/"Evil", but "Materially Accurate" or "Proletarian" versus not.
    Moscow Trials + ?? = this.
  4. Trotsky and/or other Trotskyist theorists are members of Leninism (non-revisionist Marxism; the best form of Marxism; proletarian revolution), so you cannot kill them / the great negator and principal enemy of the proletarian revolution -> I will never stop saying the early Soviet Union is terribly interesting, but the more you study this stuff the more it starts to sound like Catholics and Protestants arguing over Northern Ireland with no real answer in sight.
    Abandon Trotsky, and Bolshevism has failed + Moscow Trials = this.
    We live in a post-Trotsky world + ?? = this.

Positions or errors considered Stalinism

  1. Isolation preserves the USSR / Isolation will not kill the USSR / The USSR can perish from military intervention but never from its own isolation (Trotskyism onto Stalin & Bukharin) [3] -> I think if we were speaking of Stalinism as "errors away from Trotskyism", this is one of the biggest ones. Trotskyists really don't like Stalin doing anything that undermines the Fourth International, and it all starts at socialism in one country as one of the structural elements of Stalinism's overall economic base. it seems that that country structure historically leads to strain on Communist Internationals and tears them apart period. so it only follows that Trotskyists will realize that a country structure that destroys all Communist Internationals will destroy the Fourth International and ultimately try to eliminate Trotskyism for trying to preserve it.

Related

  1. Russian Revolution according to Trotskyists

    / (9k)

  2. Stalin was the worst

    / The Moscow Trials exposed Stalin as the dirtiest, most criminal and most repulsive figure in history (Trotsky) / (9k)

Ideology codes

  • IV / Trotskyism
  • IV onto LR / Trotskyism onto Menshevism
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