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== Taming of the Shrew arc (existing fiction) ==
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{{li|start=y|I=S1/HAS|Q=35,90|Q2=3590}}"Taming of the Shrew" arc  ->  character arc in which an Evil or fierce character is socialized into society through questionable methods, calling to mind the incorrect description of falconry in "The Taming of the Shrew". although the Shakespeare play in question was about the concept of men not understanding women, the character can be of any gender.
{{li|start=y|I=S1/DFy|Q=35,90|Q2=3590}}"Taming of the Shrew" arc  ->  character arc in which an Evil or fierce character is socialized into society through questionable methods, calling to mind the incorrect description of falconry in "The Taming of the Shrew". although the Shakespeare play in question was about the concept of men not understanding women, the character can be of any gender.


{{li|I=S1/Fy/ES|Q=35,91|Q2=3591}}revenge of the shrews  ->  abstract concept, or trope, of characters with "Taming of the Shrew" arcs turning around and not having any of it. in my mind this trope is largely for fantasy animal types of characters, aliens, neurodivergent characters, whose nature isn't understood correctly, kind of like the <em>original</em> notes for <cite>Zootopia</cite>. but it might apply to more "realistic" scenarios too. did I just imply autistic people only exist in fantasy books? well, every day I don't feel real so it does check out.
{{li|I=S1/Fy/ES|Q=35,91|Q2=3591}}revenge of the shrews  ->  abstract concept, or trope, of characters with "Taming of the Shrew" arcs turning around and not having any of it. in my mind this trope is largely for fantasy animal types of characters, aliens, neurodivergent characters, whose nature isn't understood correctly, kind of like the <em>original</em> notes for <cite>Zootopia</cite>. but it might apply to more "realistic" scenarios too. did I just imply autistic people only exist in fantasy books? well, every day I don't feel real so it does check out.
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== Is {{book|The Taming of the Shrew}} metafiction? ==
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{{li|start=y|I=Z1/Fy|tradition=|Q=15,90|Q2=1590}}{{book|The Taming of the Shrew}}  ->  I started re-reading this thing. now that I'm reading the beginning part again... is this actually about the concept that all actors in a Shakespeare play walk onto the stage as men and then they turn into "drag queens"? the part about trying to get the drunk man to accept that he is playing a noblewoman feels like it's actually a meta-fictional story that's representing suspension of disbelief between the theater audience and the actors, where the characters actually have to accept they're in a story and take up their roles in the story in order for the story to happen. this play feels like it took the weird concepts people today will come up with in fan theories for TV shows — 'Spongebob is living in a Truman Show society where they're all actors although it's also a society' etc — and then actually wrote the story around that intentionally.<br/>
in the first part of the story you establish suspension of disbelief so the actors believe they are in the world of the story, and then in the text of the story people start deciding they don't want to play the roles any more, and subsequently it becomes a comedy about how that's not allowed although in the end all of it is fake. the story doesn't really get any less dark when you read it this way than when you read it literally, because now it's like, the whole world is enforcing itself onto people, including class and gender but also including whatever other mishaps happen to people, and they just have to take it.<br/>
is this one of the earliest instances of the Matrix / Truman Show motif? is this one of the first works of post-structuralist fiction? or is it just a reflection of the concept of "religious truth" / Māyā, where it's been the case for a long time that a lot of religious believers haven't thought of the world as real to begin with, making metafiction a concept which is obvious to them?
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Revision as of 03:44, 12 August 2026

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  1. The Taming of the Shrew

    (c. 1590) -> Shakespeare play. comedy. notable for "abstract amoral world containing blatant misogyny" structure. trying to explain Dragon Ball made me remember it because I swear this is at least two characters' character arcs

Taming of the Shrew arc (existing fiction)

  1. "Taming of the Shrew" arc -> character arc in which an Evil or fierce character is socialized into society through questionable methods, calling to mind the incorrect description of falconry in "The Taming of the Shrew". although the Shakespeare play in question was about the concept of men not understanding women, the character can be of any gender.
  2. revenge of the shrews -> abstract concept, or trope, of characters with "Taming of the Shrew" arcs turning around and not having any of it. in my mind this trope is largely for fantasy animal types of characters, aliens, neurodivergent characters, whose nature isn't understood correctly, kind of like the original notes for Zootopia. but it might apply to more "realistic" scenarios too. did I just imply autistic people only exist in fantasy books? well, every day I don't feel real so it does check out.
  3. Chouette (2021) / (9k) -> theme appears in this book.
  4. Oolong (Dragon Ball) -> character with shrew arc.
  5. Vegeta (Dragon Ball) / Prince Vegeta -> character with shrew arc.

Other "examples"

  1. Nikolai Bukharin / (9k) -> so, I opened up this page to copy from just because it was a page I'd been editing recently, but... honestly you can make an argument he counts as a historical figure that got ""shrewed"".
  2. Yang Yuzhe (Ironblood setting) -> fictional violet-Marxist theorist who I explain in my notes was very inspired by The Taming of the Shrew and the theme of whether Trotskyists have been unfairly 'shrewed'.
  3. César Millán / Cesar Millan (no accent marks) -> has been accused of "shrewing" dogs.

Is The Taming of the Shrew metafiction?

  1. The Taming of the Shrew -> I started re-reading this thing. now that I'm reading the beginning part again... is this actually about the concept that all actors in a Shakespeare play walk onto the stage as men and then they turn into "drag queens"? the part about trying to get the drunk man to accept that he is playing a noblewoman feels like it's actually a meta-fictional story that's representing suspension of disbelief between the theater audience and the actors, where the characters actually have to accept they're in a story and take up their roles in the story in order for the story to happen. this play feels like it took the weird concepts people today will come up with in fan theories for TV shows — 'Spongebob is living in a Truman Show society where they're all actors although it's also a society' etc — and then actually wrote the story around that intentionally.
    in the first part of the story you establish suspension of disbelief so the actors believe they are in the world of the story, and then in the text of the story people start deciding they don't want to play the roles any more, and subsequently it becomes a comedy about how that's not allowed although in the end all of it is fake. the story doesn't really get any less dark when you read it this way than when you read it literally, because now it's like, the whole world is enforcing itself onto people, including class and gender but also including whatever other mishaps happen to people, and they just have to take it.
    is this one of the earliest instances of the Matrix / Truman Show motif? is this one of the first works of post-structuralist fiction? or is it just a reflection of the concept of "religious truth" / Māyā, where it's been the case for a long time that a lot of religious believers haven't thought of the world as real to begin with, making metafiction a concept which is obvious to them?

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Ideologies or fields

  1. pronounced Hass / literature
  2. pronounced Hass / Shakespeare plays
  3. pronounced Hass / self-help books
  4. pronounced Hass / dog training books
  5. pronounced F.Y. / fiction
  6. pronounced Fiction / comedy (classical literature)
  7. pronounced Fiction / dark comedy
  8. pronounced M-L / Communist Party of the Soviet Union (1930-1953)
  9. pronounced M.X. / meta-Marxism in fiction
  10. pronounced meta-Marxism / Tributarism (Ironblood)

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