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== Question == | == Question == | ||
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{{li|start=y|I=S2/HAS|tradition=|Q=618|Q2=618}}The "рь" sound is | {{li|start=y|I=S2/HAS|tradition=|Q=618|Q2=618}}{{TTS|tts=True or False?|T/F?:}} The "{{TTS|lang=myv|рь|title=Erzian}}" sound is pronounced in Russian / Is the "{{TTS|lang=ru|рь}}" sound pronounced in Russian? (question phrasing) / ({{9k|RD/Q618-FinalClassOfHumanity}}) | ||
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== Prompt == | == Prompt == | ||
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{{testimony| | {{testimony|In the Erzya language, there is a particular palatalized r sound: {{TTS|lang=myv|[rʲ]|title=Erzian}}. This appears in words like "{{TTS|lang=myv|сундерькс|title=Erzian - "sundeŕks"}}", a word for twilight, where it is written "{{TTS|lang=myv|tts=р ь|рь|title=Erzian}}". The Erzya people are closely connected to the Russian people in their history and way of life. Does this sound exist in Russian? If this word was somebody's name, would a Russian speaker pronounce it like it's said in Erzya? | ||
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== Motifs or claims in prompt (no AI) == | == Motifs or claims in prompt (no AI) == | ||
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{{li|start=y|I=S1/HAS|Q=618|Q2=618}}Erzya population and Russian way of life -> there is a lot more to say about this than I actually know myself. up to now, the Erzya people have had a bizarrely healthy relationship with their neighboring nation-state as opposed to any tribal population in North America or many parts of South America. it's only very recently that due to things like the war in Ukraine there has been an attempt for tribal populations to secede from Russia, apparently to not have to fight in the war, maybe for other cumulative reasons. | |||
{{li|I=Z1/HAS|Q=618|Q2=618}}Erzya language [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erzya_language#Phonology] / Erzian <!-- / ({{9k|RD/Q618}}) --> | |||
{{li|I=Z1/HAS|Q=618|Q2=618}}Russian language <!-- / ({{9k|RD/Q618}}) --> | |||
{{li|I=S1/HAS|Q=618|Q2=618}}palatal sounds in Russian | |||
{{li|I=S1/HAS|Q=618|Q2=618}}{{TTS|lang=myv|сундерькс|title=Erzian - "sundeŕks"}} (Erzya word) [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/сундерькс] | |||
{{li | {{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618}}Sunderkov ([[:Category:Auldernet_(RD)|character]]) / {{TTS|lang=myv|сундерьков|title=Erzian}} (Erzya word) | ||
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== Motifs or claims from response == | == Motifs or claims from response == | ||
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{{li|start=y|I=S2/HAS|Q=618|Q2=618}}The "{{TTS|lang=ru|tts=р ь|рь}}" sound is pronounced in Russian [true] | |||
{{li|I=S2/HAS|Q=618|Q2=618}}Palatalization can happen around the vowels е/ё/я/ю -> isn't "я" already palatalized or something? I do not know what you call it versus the others but it's the most obvious one. | |||
{{li|I=S1/HAS|Q=618|Q2=618}}{{TTS|lang=ru|tts=река|река [rʲɪ.ka]}} [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/река#Russian] [http://masterrussian.net/f17/how-pronounce-palatalized-r-%D1%80%D1%8C-7586/] -> what a word to come up in the context of Deltarune and Umineko. I mean, many cities have been founded by rivers so it was only a matter of time, but that doesn't make it less funny. | |||
{{li | {{li|I=S1/HAS|Q=618|Q2=618}}{{TTS|lang=ru|tts=верить|верить [ˈvʲerʲɪtʲ]}} [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/верить#Russian] -> I checked and sure enough, the LLM absolutely garbled the IPA text. at least I was able to fix it by going to Wiktionary. | ||
{{li|I=S1/HAS|Q=618|Q2=618}}{{TTS|lang=ru|вернётся}} | |||
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== Subjective themes (no AI) == | == Subjective themes (no AI) == | ||
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{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618}}Sunderkov / {{TTS|lang=ru|tts=сундерьков|сундерьков [ˈsʊnʲdʲerʲkəf]|title=pronunciation in Russian}} -> something like that. gosh I have no idea if there are mistakes in that. languages are hard.<br/> | |||
in all of these pronunciations on Wiktionary the palatalized sounds are so marginal. I try to say them and they disappear and I'm not sure if I quite get it. | |||
{{li|I=S1/HAS|Q=618|Q2=618}}people from the Caucasus can't say palatalized consonants [http://masterrussian.net/f17/how-pronounce-palatalized-r-%D1%80%D1%8C-7586/] -> that moment when you just know something would be a sick burn if you actually had the context, but you don't have any of the context. | |||
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== Usage notes == | == Usage notes == | ||
* You are allowed to post LLM | * You are allowed to post LLM {{strong|prompts}} as prototype pages (the part you wrote manually), as long as they stay in one of the {{TTS|html=code|... talk:|Talk}} namespaces and there are no direct quotes from response text. Concisely describing abstract propositions that turn up several times inside response text is fine. | ||
* It's recommended you include all of the AI's "references", such that each prompt becomes a sort of 'combination nickel' that becomes a convenient place for collecting twenty or so links that answer the question. If any of the pages referenced are already nickel pages, you should link the nickel page. | * It's recommended you include all of the AI's "references", such that each prompt becomes a sort of 'combination nickel' that becomes a convenient place for collecting twenty or so links that answer the question. If any of the pages referenced are already nickel pages, you should link the nickel page. | ||
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== Links given in AI response == | == Links given in AI response == | ||
* [https://www.wsws.org/en/special/library/foundations-us/foo] --> | * [https://www.wsws.org/en/special/library/foundations-us/foo] --> | ||
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Latest revision as of 02:49, 15 August 2026
Question
- The "рь" sound is pronounced in Russian / Is the "рь" sound pronounced in Russian? (question phrasing) / (9k)
Prompt
In the Erzya language, there is a particular palatalized r sound: [rʲ]. This appears in words like "сундерькс", a word for twilight, where it is written "". The Erzya people are closely connected to the Russian people in their history and way of life. Does this sound exist in Russian? If this word was somebody's name, would a Russian speaker pronounce it like it's said in Erzya?
Motifs or claims in prompt (no AI)
- Erzya population and Russian way of life -> there is a lot more to say about this than I actually know myself. up to now, the Erzya people have had a bizarrely healthy relationship with their neighboring nation-state as opposed to any tribal population in North America or many parts of South America. it's only very recently that due to things like the war in Ukraine there has been an attempt for tribal populations to secede from Russia, apparently to not have to fight in the war, maybe for other cumulative reasons.
- Erzya language [1] / Erzian
- Russian language
- palatal sounds in Russian
- сундерькс (Erzya word) [2]
- Sunderkov (character) / сундерьков (Erzya word)
Motifs or claims from response
- The "" sound is pronounced in Russian [true]
- Palatalization can happen around the vowels е/ё/я/ю -> isn't "я" already palatalized or something? I do not know what you call it versus the others but it's the most obvious one.
- [3] [4] -> what a word to come up in the context of Deltarune and Umineko. I mean, many cities have been founded by rivers so it was only a matter of time, but that doesn't make it less funny.
- [5] -> I checked and sure enough, the LLM absolutely garbled the IPA text. at least I was able to fix it by going to Wiktionary.
- вернётся
Subjective themes (no AI)
- Sunderkov / -> something like that. gosh I have no idea if there are mistakes in that. languages are hard.
in all of these pronunciations on Wiktionary the palatalized sounds are so marginal. I try to say them and they disappear and I'm not sure if I quite get it. - people from the Caucasus can't say palatalized consonants [6] -> that moment when you just know something would be a sick burn if you actually had the context, but you don't have any of the context.
Usage notes
- You are allowed to post LLM prompts as prototype pages (the part you wrote manually), as long as they stay in one of the
namespaces and there are no direct quotes from response text. Concisely describing abstract propositions that turn up several times inside response text is fine. - It's recommended you include all of the AI's "references", such that each prompt becomes a sort of 'combination nickel' that becomes a convenient place for collecting twenty or so links that answer the question. If any of the pages referenced are already nickel pages, you should link the nickel page.
Links
Ideologies, fields, or search engines
- / Duck.ai
- / linguistics