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{{li|start=y|I=S2/MX|tradition=MX onto IV|Q=41,92|Q2=41,92|h4 = Trotskyism-in-one-country succeeds Bolshevism }} / Trotskyist nation succeeds Bolshevism / Trotskyism-in-one-country would be upper-phase communism / Trotskyism inside the area of one national population is synonymous with upper-phase communism / The end state of Stalin's Marxism is the beginning of Trotskyism-in-one-country; with no errors, Stalin himself would create the conditions for Trotskyism-in-one-country  -><br/>
{{li|start=y|I=S2/MX|tradition=MX onto IV|Q=41,92|Q2=41,92|h4= Trotskyism-in-one-country succeeds Bolshevism }}
one of the only hypotheses I've put up about Trotskyist civilizations that Trotskyists actually might not dispute; sometimes it sounds like what they're saying is this. the one problem they are going to have with this statement is the idea you can "get to Trotskyism" with too few countries or too small a country or something like that.<br/>
personally... when we're talking about a particular country finishing up Bolshevism and entering Whatever You Call It, I think it's going to be {{em|very hard}} to get there without some 3/4 of industrial countries allied together but I wouldn't say it's impossible. I feel like as soon as you get half of all industrial countries or so, measured by total population-adjusted-by-area cut in half, it would become faintly possible. the China region alone might be a huge contribution speaking only of how many people are in it, while the historical Soviet Union region might not have been as big a contribution as it seemed due to having a relatively low portion of the world's people. these are just wild guesses of course, but they're meant as a counterpoint to the notion you have to actually get every industrial or feudal country at once. there has to be {{em|some}} threshold that is the minimum number of people or people-per-area you have to have to be able to essentially win the Cold War by surviving and make upper-phase communism or what this proposition labels "Trotskyism" eventually possible. you should almost be able to calculate it with an equation, although the hard part is adjusting for external resistance; again, the easy part is almost just a multiplication problem of actual people in the world times area adjustment over total area of industrial or feudal countries.


{{li|I=S2/IV|tradition=MX onto IV|Q=41,93|Q2=41,93| h4 = Trotskyism does not have socialism }} / As a named Marxism, Trotskyism does not anticipate an era of socialist transition; anything that happens before a period of upper-phase communism is not recognized as part of the named Marxism  -> if the proposition "Trotskyism-in-one-country succeeds Bolshevism" is true, then this would be true. Trotskyists agreeing to these two things as the definition of Trotskyism would make things vastly easier honestly. because there wouldn't have to be arguments over what named Marxism is supposed to be happening in a spatial sense, things would just easily flatten into "Trotskyism isn't supposed to happen yet" while everybody would potentially be able to agree that it actually is supposed to happen, Trotsky just got horribly, comically impatient about it.
{{li|I=S2/ML|Q=41,92|Q2=41,92}}Trotskyism inside the area of one national population is synonymous with upper-phase communism / <s>Trotskyist nation succeeds Bolshevism</s> / <s>Trotskyism-in-one-country would be upper-phase communism</s> / The end state of Stalin's Marxism is the beginning of Trotskyism-in-one-country; with no errors, Stalin himself would create the conditions for Trotskyism-in-one-country  -><br/>
one of the only hypotheses I've put up about Trotskyist civilizations that Trotskyists actually might not dispute;<ref group="error" name="a"/> sometimes it sounds like what they're saying is this. the one problem they are going to have with this statement<ref group="error" name="a"/> is the idea you can "get to Trotskyism" with too few countries or too small a country or something like that.<br/>
personally... when we're talking about a particular country finishing up Bolshevism and entering Whatever You Call It, I think it's going to be {{em|very hard}} to get there without some 3/4 of industrial countries allied together but I wouldn't say it's impossible.<ref group="error" name="b"/> I feel like as soon as you get half of all industrial countries or so, measured by total population-adjusted-by-area cut in half, it would become faintly possible. the China region alone might be a huge contribution speaking only of how many people are in it, while the historical Soviet Union region might not have been as big a contribution as it seemed due to having a relatively low portion of the world's people. these are just wild guesses of course, but they're meant as a counterpoint to the notion you have to actually get every industrial or feudal country at once. there has to be {{em|some}} threshold that is the minimum number of people or people-per-area you have to have to be able to essentially win the Cold War by surviving and make upper-phase communism or what this proposition labels "Trotskyism" eventually possible. you should almost be able to calculate it with an equation, although the hard part is adjusting for external resistance; again, the easy part is almost just a multiplication problem of actual people in the world times area adjustment over total area of industrial or feudal countries.
 
{{li|I=S2/ML|Q=41,93|Q2=41,93|h4= Trotskyism does not have socialism }} / <s>As a named Marxism, Trotskyism does not anticipate an era of socialist transition; anything that happens before a period of upper-phase communism is not recognized as part of the named Marxism</s> / As an apparent-form-of-Marxism, Trotskyism does not anticipate an era of socialist transition; anything that happens before a period of upper-phase communism is not recognized as happening after the beginning of realizing Trotskyism -><br/>
if the proposition "Trotskyism-in-one-country succeeds Bolshevism" is true, then this would be true. Trotskyists agreeing to these two things as the definition of Trotskyism would make things vastly easier honestly. because there wouldn't have to be arguments over what named Marxism is supposed to be happening in a spatial sense, things would just easily flatten into "Trotskyism isn't supposed to happen yet" while everybody would potentially be able to agree that it actually is supposed to happen, Trotsky just got horribly, comically impatient about it.


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{{li|I=S2/IV|tradition=|Q=41,94|Q2=4194}}Stalinism does not have socialism / A Stalinist state will never reach lower-phase communism
 
{{li|I=S1/MX|Q=21,20|Q2=2120}}realization (meta-Marxism) / construction of society form / ({{9k|RD/Q21,17}})
 
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{{li|I=Z1/IV|Q=41,04|Q2=4104}}{{TTS|IV|Fourth}} / Trotskyism
 
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{{li|I=S1/IV|Q=21,14|Q2=2114}}{{TTS|IV|Trotskyism}} / worldwide socialist transition
 
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Latest revision as of 22:58, 8 September 2026

"Rules of Trotskyism"

  1. Trotskyism-in-one-country succeeds Bolshevism

  2. Trotskyism inside the area of one national population is synonymous with upper-phase communism / Trotskyist nation succeeds Bolshevism / Trotskyism-in-one-country would be upper-phase communism / The end state of Stalin's Marxism is the beginning of Trotskyism-in-one-country; with no errors, Stalin himself would create the conditions for Trotskyism-in-one-country ->
    one of the only hypotheses I've put up about Trotskyist civilizations that Trotskyists actually might not dispute;[error 1] sometimes it sounds like what they're saying is this. the one problem they are going to have with this statement[error 1] is the idea you can "get to Trotskyism" with too few countries or too small a country or something like that.
    personally... when we're talking about a particular country finishing up Bolshevism and entering Whatever You Call It, I think it's going to be very hard to get there without some 3/4 of industrial countries allied together but I wouldn't say it's impossible.[error 2] I feel like as soon as you get half of all industrial countries or so, measured by total population-adjusted-by-area cut in half, it would become faintly possible. the China region alone might be a huge contribution speaking only of how many people are in it, while the historical Soviet Union region might not have been as big a contribution as it seemed due to having a relatively low portion of the world's people. these are just wild guesses of course, but they're meant as a counterpoint to the notion you have to actually get every industrial or feudal country at once. there has to be some threshold that is the minimum number of people or people-per-area you have to have to be able to essentially win the Cold War by surviving and make upper-phase communism or what this proposition labels "Trotskyism" eventually possible. you should almost be able to calculate it with an equation, although the hard part is adjusting for external resistance; again, the easy part is almost just a multiplication problem of actual people in the world times area adjustment over total area of industrial or feudal countries.

  3. Trotskyism does not have socialism

    / As a named Marxism, Trotskyism does not anticipate an era of socialist transition; anything that happens before a period of upper-phase communism is not recognized as part of the named Marxism / As an apparent-form-of-Marxism, Trotskyism does not anticipate an era of socialist transition; anything that happens before a period of upper-phase communism is not recognized as happening after the beginning of realizing Trotskyism ->

    if the proposition "Trotskyism-in-one-country succeeds Bolshevism" is true, then this would be true. Trotskyists agreeing to these two things as the definition of Trotskyism would make things vastly easier honestly. because there wouldn't have to be arguments over what named Marxism is supposed to be happening in a spatial sense, things would just easily flatten into "Trotskyism isn't supposed to happen yet" while everybody would potentially be able to agree that it actually is supposed to happen, Trotsky just got horribly, comically impatient about it.

Related

  1. Stalinism does not have socialism / A Stalinist state will never reach lower-phase communism
  2. realization (meta-Marxism) / construction of society form / (9k)

Ideologies or fields

  1. pronounced M.X. / meta-Marxism
  2. pronounced M-L onto Fourth / Stalinism as meta-Marxism
  3. pronounced Fourth / Trotskyism
  4. pronounced Marxism / socialist transition
  5. pronounced Marxism / era of socialism
  6. pronounced Marxism / upper-phase communism
  7. pronounced M-L / socialism in one country
  8. pronounced Trotskyism / worldwide socialist transition

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pronounced P: pronounced Wave-builder: forms result [Item]
pronounced 618. (S)pronounced (Fourth) (S): IV /Trotskyism does not have socialism (pronounced proposed / IV)1-1-1
along with [Item]
Trotskyism-in-one-country succeeds Bolshevism (pronounced proposed / MX)1-1-1
forming from [Item]
Trotskyism-in-one-country succeeds Bolshevism (pronounced proposed / MX)1-1-1
named socialist transition (pronounced proposed / MX)1-1-1
pronounced 618. (S)pronounced (Fourth) (S): IV /Trotskyism does not have socialism (pronounced proposed / IV)1-1-1

Errors

  1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 No, Trotskyists would definitely have multiple problems with this.
  2. ↑ This part is, funny enough, broadly accurate.
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