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{{HueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean compound">
{{HueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean compound">
{{HueNumber|Q3776}}  <!-- en: hypothetical object -->
{{E:Q618/MX|Q=3319|If Communist-ally is not an identity, East Germany wouldn't have existed  |li=y|dimension=F2}}
{{E:Q618/A|Q=3660|East Germany was indistinguishable from an Anarchism |li=y|dimension=F2}}
{{E:Q618/DX|Q=3663|East Germany was a postcolonial movement  |li=y|dimension=S2}}
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</ol>


<ol class="hue clean">
=== Un-forming East Germany ===
</li><li class="field_nations" value="3086" data-dimension="F2">Kevins don't belong in Germany
</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="3087" data-dimension="S2">Karens don't belong in Seattle


</li><li value="3776" class="field_exstruct" data-dimension="F2">[[Ontology:Q3776|Solidarity is strictly optional]]
<ol class="hue clean compound">
{{HueNumber|Q3776}}  <!-- en: Solidarity is strictly optional -->
{{E:Q618/ES|Q=3087|Karens don't belong in Seattle  |li=y|dimension=S2}}
{{E:Q618/PT|Q=3086|Kevins don't belong in Germany  |li=y|dimension=S2}}
</ol>


</li><li class="field_mdem" value="618" data-dimension="F2">If Communist-ally is not an identity, East Germany wouldn't have existed / If Communist-ally is not an identity, there would be no North Korea  ->  the claim that creating East Germany required the formation of an East-German identity, in the strict mathematical sense of membership in a socially-linked graph of people calling themselves East Germans. no concept of "East-German culture", "East-German traditions", or "East-German ethnic history narratives" is required for this definition; this is strictly conceptualizing the notion of groups of people or identities as raw divisions of people into groups who are connected because they agree to be connected. with that established, the claim is that East Germany formed because a particular subpopulation of workers formed connected to a particular body of theorists and non-proletarian Communist allies, and it was the agreement of all these people to form a group separate from the rest of the country if the people of West Germany did not meet the conditions to be a proletarian ally that allowed it to act as a capable subpopulation that was able to assemble a new country after the Soviet Union (which could also be considered in the category of "Communist allies") removed itself from East Germany. this is the claim that solidarity throughout the capable subpopulation in the sense of firm dedication to not dissolving it is ultimately a more important thing than the proletariat itself even as the capable subpopulation will only develop if the proletariat has a very prominent role in it. you can now see why East Germany not being a win for Trotskyists would be so confusing. a small number of mainstream Marxist-Leninist allies being able to create East Germany should logically entail that a bunch of Trotskyists wanting to wall themselves off from Stalin should be able to do the same thing starting from a relatively tiny number of people. East Germany should actually have showed that Trotskyism is more feasible than people thought because it shows that every country in Europe could go Trotskyist if the requirement is they turn over independently of each other without Stalin's help. the fact Trotskyists did not see things this way is very telling.
== Objections to East Germany ==


</li><li class="field_anarchy" value="3660" data-dimension="F2">East Germany was indistinguishable from an Anarchism
<ol class="hue clean compound">
{{HueNumber|Q4300}}  <!-- en: What was wrong with East Germany? -->
{{E:Q618/A|Q=618|East Germany wasn't a tent of freedom poles  |li=y|dimension=S2}}
</ol>


</li><li class="field_gramsci" value="3663" data-dimension="S2">East Germany was a postcolonial movement / East Germany provides evidence for a new category of postcolonial theories solidly based in Materialism instead of Idealism ...
=== Rejection within Trotskyism ===
 
</li><li class="field_anarchy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">East Germany wasn't a tent of freedom poles / East Germany was not an anarchism because two people could not [[E:freedom for everybody with the only limit of equal freedom for others|be free and be free separately in parallel but both the same]] ...
 
</li></ol>
 
== Rejection within Trotskyism ==


<ol class="hue clean compound">
<ol class="hue clean compound">
{{HueNumber|Q4300}}  <!-- en: What was wrong with East Germany? -->
{{HueNumber|Q43,01}}  <!-- en: Why wasn't East Germany progress toward Trotskyism? -->
{{HueNumber|Q43,01}}  <!-- en: Why wasn't East Germany progress toward Trotskyism? -->
{{HueNumber|Q43,02}}  <!-- en: East Germany was too small to be Trotskyism -->
{{HueNumber|Q43,02}}  <!-- en: East Germany was too small to be Trotskyism -->
</ol>
{{E:Q618/IV|Q=4303|East Germany did not have the correct internal structure to be Trotskyism |li=y|dimension=S2}}
 
{{E:Q618/IV|Q=4304|If East Germany had been a Fortress Trotskyism, it would have been okay   |li=y|dimension=S2}}
<ol class="hue clean">
</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4303" data-dimension="S2">East Germany did not have the correct internal structure to be Trotskyism
</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4304" data-dimension="S2">If East Germany had been a Fortress Trotskyism, it would have been okay / East Germany could have built up to a Fourth International if only it were Trotskyism in one country
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[[Category:Metatransitional thought experiments ontology]] [[Category:Trotskyism ontology]]

Latest revision as of 06:52, 29 August 2025

Processes of forming East Germany[edit]

  1. If Communist-ally is not an identity, East Germany wouldn't have existed (proposed; MX) 1-1-1
  2. East Germany was indistinguishable from an Anarchism (proposed; A) 1-1-1
  3. East Germany was a postcolonial movement (proposed; DX) 1-1-1

Un-forming East Germany[edit]

  1. pronounced [F2] Solidarity is strictly optional 1-1-1
  2. Karens don't belong in Seattle (proposed; ES) 1-1-1
  3. Kevins don't belong in Germany (proposed; PT) 1-1-1

Objections to East Germany[edit]

  1. pronounced [M3] What was wrong with East Germany? 1-1-1
  2. East Germany wasn't a tent of freedom poles (proposed; A) 1-1-1

Rejection within Trotskyism[edit]

  1. [M3]
    Why wasn't East Germany progress toward Trotskyism? 1-1-1
  2. pronounced [S2] East Germany was too small to be Trotskyism 1-1-1
  3. East Germany did not have the correct internal structure to be Trotskyism (proposed; IV) 1-1-1
  4. If East Germany had been a Fortress Trotskyism, it would have been okay (proposed; IV) 1-1-1

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