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1. The level above the Light World is The Angel's Heaven (Deltarune) 1:(-)1:(-)1
2. S2–617 (pronounced 617. (S2))[S2] (pronounced (S2):) The best ending is between the normal and weird routes (Deltarune) 1:(-)1:(-)1

618. The Knight is left-handed -> this is at best rather ambiguous. it's easy to argue The Knight is right-handed, depending on which actions you believe take more motor control. the sword is held in The Knight's left hand. the snow attack comes from the right hand. the sword slashes come from the right hand. so... there is more evidence the Knight is right-handed. the only counterpoint is if sprite directions don't matter in Deltarune and characters are casually flipped to the point of using both hands. I'm not sure if that's true or false.

Trauma

618. The Titans are hiding something / Guardian means the Titans are guarding the truth, which means they're hiding something -> I do think this is at least technically true.
618. The Dark World intruding into the computer lab is a metaphor for Kris' trauma piercing through daily life -> you can't see the Roaring Knight yet, which feels like a much clearer manifestation of this, and yet, the Dark Fountain is being awfully intrusive when neither of them quite exactly want to find it just yet.
618. Noelle's pipis represented a trauma / Noelle's pipis pet left home due to happiness because it represents a repressed "secret", as we are told in the Tenna scene in Chapter 3 -> this is why it left home due to happiness. as a metaphor, the secret needed therapy, but then it was able to leave
618. John Mantle is a burnt pizza box / John Mantle is the haunting memory of a burnt pizza box -> I think this is very likely. the big question to ask, then, is what is so significant about the buried pizza box that Kris keeps remembering it? why is it so significant that even when it's been buried in the Dark World Seam still brings it up and says Kris is going to need to find it and turn it into the Shadow Mantle? that burning face must be really important, and there has to be a reason it's useful for either defending against or destroying The Knight.
618. John Mantle was born when Kris made a terrible joke that December was dead and Noelle was traumatized -> follows claim: the Roaring Knight is a repressed memory of Dess, not the real Dess
619. S2–617 (pronounced 617. (S2))[S2] (pronounced (S2):) Ralsei would overcome the final tragedy with kindness (Deltarune) 1:(-)1:(-)1
618. There is one choice in Deltarune: killing The Knight / There will be exactly one actual choice to kill or spare in Deltarune, and it will be the reflected memory of December -> it's the Shadow Mantle and the Titan fight that are making me think this. Deltarune is in some ways very similar to In Stars and Time, with this big traumatized boss you fight (the king) while it's really the protagonist's psychological issues that turn out to be the biggest problem in the end. it's also very credible for there to be a game with an overall gloomy atmosphere that ends in exactly one choice if you look at OneShot
618. The thorn incident foreshadows the ending / The thorn incident in Chapter 4 foreshadows the exact ending of the Weird Route, which may get even more disturbing as it goes back from reality to abstract mind-worlds but will only be more of the same thing -> if the pizza box is directly connected to Dess, I have little doubt this would then be true.
618. The Knight's pronouns
619. The forgotten "man" is Dess (proposed; Fy) 1:(-)1:(-)1

Proposed Items

618. Dess and Gaster are the same person -> only likely to be true if the forgotten man is Dess. but if that's true, it would explain a lot of other things.
618. power (Deltarune)
618. The plugs are controlled because Queen is drawing power out of them -> this is definitely a double-meaning pun, because it wouldn't make as much sense literally without the word power
618. The snowman is a metaphor for Dess -> you can take a piece of it out of the Underground, but it won't be the whole thing.
618. "there is no sin or confession in our religion"
618. Deltarune's religion promises no afterlife / Deltarune's religion does not promise an afterlife
618. Gerson becoming a statue was a metaphor -> think about it. Darkners that aren't part of the current "game" (very Wittgensteinian use of the word game) turn into statues. Susie tried to restart the Dark World to recreate Gerson, but she got a statue. what if these are metaphorically the same thing, even though they shouldn't be literally the same thing? Gerson may be some kind of non-explicit foreshadowing of what is going to happen to everyone in Deltarune. the fact he's dead is a little bit of thematic seasoning hinting to us what Goner means without saying it out loud. everyone in Deltarune can cease to be... they think this only means dying and being buried, but there's actually more to it than that. there's being dead, but there's also being a Goner. all dead monsters eventually become Goners, but all currently alive monsters can also become Goners. monsters and humans become Goners when the world dies, whether they are currently dead or not. it also might be possible to become a Goner by slipping out of the game world into some other game world, because somehow that takes away the rules (stage magic?) that makes the characters exist. creating a new Dark World can revive the dead, but it can't revive Goners. that's what Susie's fountain means, that Gerson metaphorically became a Goner because he was in the wrong fountain even if literally he would become possible in the right fountain. the Gerson incident is important because it gives the bigger picture — even if Susie and Kris have hope in the moment, the future is much scarier and they're going to have to realize that.
     thought 2: "no sin or confession in our religion" wasn't just a funny joke. it was hinting at a third possible fact: the Deltarune religion contains no afterlife, and everyone is horrified to eventually discover this contradiction.
618. Ralsei is in all fiction / Ralsei is technically in all of fiction [1] -> this is so cool but I am a little confused how Ralsei would be able to freak out about the mortality of Deltarune if he is actually everywhere shattered across time and space. I guess the claim is that Ralsei is standing in the spot of time here or something?
618. Ralsei is Kris' shadow / Ralsei is either Kris' shadow or the concept of shadows -> this has to do with Ralsei being the reflection of Kris, shapeshifting into different forms, and... Jungian psychology, where Ralsei is totally unlike the outward layer of Kris.
618. We mustn't know Kris made Wingdings / Kris' name was censored to hide Gaster lore / The name Kris had to be censored out of the art book because Kris is the name of the creator of Wingdings and fans would figure out that the name Kris was intended to be connected to Gaster
618. Closing all Dark Fountains would cause Lightners to become disembodied minds -> this is following from the claim that the Dark Worlds specifically represent a collective mind and the interaction between mind and reality. if the Dark Worlds' are Kris and Noelle's mind, what even happens if you close them? did December turn into The Knight due to closing all the Dark Worlds, maybe while she was still inside one?
618. When Susie sees the blank prophecy, she sees a weird eldritch reflection of the player created by darkness -> this is how the Dark Worlds work. every object is reflected into the Dark World as some weird thing created by Lightner minds and the Darkness that can only be seen inside the Dark World. what if the Lightners are seeing the same thing happening to the Angel? this doesn't totally exclude the prophecy also making a joke about the reflection. Ralsei says the reflection is what the Angel really looks like and Susie is like, is that really true? but it's not true exactly because she can only see the Light World version of the Angel. thus Ralsei saying it is is a joke, although it's also technically true.
618. December Holiday is an adopted human -> I kinda like this theory because we don't really have strong evidence she isn't. Dess has never been shown to players. it would make Noelle make more sense, because maybe it would be more appealing to have a monster child if they only have an adopted one. the Holiday family would mirror the Dreemurr family. I don't really see why this couldn't be true. the Roaring Knight having antlers and being some kind of apparent psychological projection of guilt about losing Dess is the only real reason to think that Dess had antlers. but Kris was wearing a horned headband. how do we know Dess didn't do that too
618. The Vessel will have Frisk's palette / When the Vessel reaches the Light World it will look like Frisk -> this is the other interpretation of there being two characters at the start of both games. Gaster's very suspicious plan was to create Frisk when they were not supposed to exist. point number two for this: in Undertale Frisk is shaped by the story, and on the genocide route somebody narrates much darker things. if Frisk was always shaped by player input. wouldn't it make a lot of sense if in Deltarune Frisk is replaced by the Vessel?
618. The Vessel discarded itself to get away from the Angel -> not the first thing anyone would think of, but a funny concept. if Goners can talk in Undertale, hey, why not? it's also believable that something that looks like Kris, who has resisted the Angel and has constantly been connected to statements about death (probably just to heavily hint that Kris is Chara), would try to stop existing. if Kris resists, why would the Vessel be a proper vessel and obey either? there probably is something to the fact that there are two similar main characters at the start of both Undertale and Deltarune but each time one of them is gone.
618. The Weird Route existed prior to the main route / The Weird Route is the original prophecy
6643. Dark Fountains are created when a Lightner opens a wound in the earth
6644. Dark Fountains are created when a Lightner cracks open the limited box of reality -> combines claims: blank void outside of reality is fountain of imagination
618. Kris is the Deltarune version of Frisk
618. Kris is the Deltarune version of Chara -> if you have the interpretation that "Chara" is a placeholder string and "true name" is a joke, seems kind of obvious

Joke theories

1. S2–617 (pronounced 617. (S2))[S2] (pronounced (S2):) December changed her name to Noelle (Deltarune) 1:(-)1:(-)1
2. The eggs are a metaphor for gender (proposed; A) 1:(-)1:(-)1
3. Dess is not female (proposed; A) 1:(-)1:(-)1