User:RD/9k/Nations are artificial & un-designed (Q22,16)

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Nation-states are neither natural nor intentionally constructed -> the claim that, excluding all Marxist states, the process of people forming into nation-states is both artificial and largely not at all designed. many people make the mistake of turning undesigned-ness into a simple binary where if something is not designed it must be fully natural in the sense of either ecological or human, and if something is not fully ecological it must be as deliberately designed as a computer chip; you see this fallacy in both anarchism and Western Marxism. this is not the case. something can be totally undesigned and also harmful, just as something like indigenous agriculture could be designed and be ecological. some things which are ecological are undesigned, yet The Subject itself is arguably designed by its actions toward its own needs while being a biological animal
The process of people forming into nation-states is both artificial in that it is created by humans, and not created through any intentional human design (not natural; artificial; not intelligently designed; un-designed; existential materialism)

Determinism can form out of non-deterministic elements
Determinism can form out of non-deterministic elements -> we already know this is possible, at least in a mathematical sense concerning material things that really appear unpredictable versus material things that really appear predictable. the most widely-accepted example right now is quantum mechanics. nobody really knows much about the individual particles, yet as things scale up all the particles form into predictable patterns. this is the key to building models of society and historical materialism.