User:RD/9k/right-Liberals are almost Communists (Q618)
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Right-Liberals are almost Communists
/ Libertarians are soft Communists [1] / Communists do not recognize people as social beings because they dare to do existential materialism; this is to imply that right-Liberalism ("Libertarians") and Marxism are unacceptable departures from nationalism -> oh really?
this deeply confused me when I saw it out of context because it was like.... what?? what the hell are you saying? now first let's set aside Communism. why is right-Liberalism thinking in terms of material individuals and material properties bad if you don't like Communism? what about modeling society starting at individuals prevents right-Liberals from having a model of overall societies that as you scale up emerges built out of whatever weird amalgamation of properties they imagine? material contradiction or not, it's not truly a logical contradiction to define society in terms of isolated individuals but believe they're still part of a particular countable society because technically they always are.
- second, this is just a flat-out wrong statement about Marx and Lenin. Lenin was constantly describing the structure of an entire nation-state at once. you think he saw everyone as individuals disconnected from something greater?? why do you think that???
my best guess is this is an aversion to Materialism. Liberal-republicanism has cultivated this necessary belief that Materialism is bad, and all the ideologies inside it have been built on that, and center-Liberals start to believe Materialism generates Generalized Dictators and Tories start to believe Materialism somehow destroys nationalities or some weird claim I don't understand. every individual that comes to the United States and becomes a career defector is still treated as part of that nationality, so, can that even be true? if an individual North Korean is still Korean after defecting. aren't you obligated to believe in Juche-socialism and not support defecting from North Korea if you think separating society into individuals is a bad thing? the people who say this absolutely do not do that. - last remark: the funny thing is that taking this title totally out of context I would actually kind of agree. right-Liberalism really did lead me to Communism because I absorbed a whole lot of Free Software writings that kept talking about how private property applied to public things didn't make sense, yet they didn't realize that was what they were saying. they kept trying to backpedal and say private property was okay at the last second if it only behaved well, but it was too late. I really started to believe that businesses were better run for the people than to make money, and in the process, became basically the worst person to create a business but the only person who would work at one without promptly quitting to find a "better job". Libertarians are accidentally regenerating the proletariat after all the other capitalists did everything in their power to completely exterminate it. maybe they're the real heroes in a weird way. maybe you could round up a bunch of Libertarians to create a one-party state and defeat multicapitalism if you could just get them to persuade everybody that property benefiting individuals isn't a human right and you have the right to work but nobody has the right to profit off a whole entire business.
I don't like every single thing about politics being defined around forms of Freedom but I won't tell you it's impossible to analyze and work with.
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Ideologies or fields
- MX / meta-Marxism
- MX / existential materialism
- PT / nationalism (United States)
- PT onto LR
- ML / Lenin
- LR / right-Liberalism
- FS / Free Software movement