User:RD/9k/no morality in Marxism (Q65,30)
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Marxism doesn't talk about morality
-> this is subtly wrong for reasons that it's hard to see from within mainstream Marxism-Leninism. you really have to step outside and look at all movements descriptively. when you do that, you see that morality is a label people mistakenly assign to things that Marxists would consider historical materialism, and what's really happening is when Marxists refuse to talk about morality anarchists think you hate historical materialism. you have to engage with other ideologies' concepts of what progress is to be able to properly understand where they are on understanding 'historical contradictions'- Justice can only be had by those who win / Marxism doesn't talk about morality (generic) / (9k) -> ... justice is the set of victories that we rationalize. so in that sense, yes, only the winners get justice, and it's very hard or maybe impossible to remove that requirement. unless maybe you cover the entire industrial world in Trotskyism and there are no wars, or you somehow create an anarchism that big which is not a bunch of tiny fragments. at that point justice would not be resolved by amoral conflicts between material things. but, not already being there has led the world to justify all kinds of imperial atrocities and claimed 'unjust hierarchies' simply to get to a point where justice exists. it seems like the most moral thing you could do is not believe in morality until the time justice becomes possible at which time there paradoxically might not be any morality any more. morality is like a problem claiming to be a solution.
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